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[NT] Do you agree: NT searches for identity? How alike or different from NF's?

Afkan

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I can relation to the personal search thing....maybe it's a little different. I guess I look at me and what I am and try to improve it. It's still a personal search, but with a different aim, thus I can relate.
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NF The NF must be authentic. they seek self-actualization in identity and unity in relationships. The search for the true unique self is the lifelong process of becoming.

How is your NT identity important? What is important to you? Do you think more often about your own self-knowledge/ how you see yourself, or communicating competency (or something else) to others?
 

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NF The NF must be authentic. they seek self-actualization in identity and unity in relationships. The search for the true unique self is the lifelong process of becoming.

How is your NT identity important? What is important to you? Do you think more often about your own self-knowledge/ how you see yourself, or communicating competency (or something else) to others?
Integrity is among my top priorities, but I don't have to search for it. It's already present, and all I need do is follow my own rules.

Therefore, in practice, this integrity isn't often apparent, because I don't have to think about it. I concentrate on deciphering causes and recognizing trends and patterns most of the time, which is an objective pursuit.

The NT often seems cold because his values are not open to change, and rarely is there a desire to make them obvious to others.
 

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I've never felt like I was in search of an identity.

I am what I am inside even though I can't define it. I might attempt to present myself differently to others, but that's not touching the core.
 

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I was always in search of an identity but for many years I sought to derive it outside myself and would ignore my own feelings and values -- it was always a rationalized identity. It had to be calculated from all data present, NOT just drawn from some inner wellspring.

I think the journey was always more impersonal too, in some sense. I wanted to figure out who and what I was, just as I wanted to understand who and what everything else was -- I wanted to understand the definition and essence of everything.

I feel like Fi is much more personal in nature than Ti, and there's a sense of "being true to me" whereas for me it was more about "being true to my definition"... that impersonalized sense of me that I could derive from everything around me and what role I played in the equation.
 

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How is your NT identity important? What is important to you? Do you think more often about your own self-knowledge/ how you see yourself, or communicating competency (or something else) to others?
I seek to understand others and be understood by others. That search helps me understand myself.
 

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I was deeply involved with an NT, for many years. In hindsight, she took much identity from the relationship, which wasn't the best thing --- and had done so in her previous relationship, and again in the relationship she entered after we parted.

I haven't known enough NTs intimately to know if she was typical or an exception, where identity was concerned ...
 

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Integrity is among my top priorities, but I don't have to search for it. It's already present, and all I need do is follow my own rules.

Therefore, in practice, this integrity isn't often apparent, because I don't have to think about it. I concentrate on deciphering causes and recognizing trends and patterns most of the time, which is an objective pursuit.

The NT often seems cold because his values are not open to change, and rarely is there a desire to make them obvious to others.

+ $1,000.
 

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No, I've never understood the search for identity. It is meaningless to me. I may as well search for my hand. Oh, it's at the end of my arm. Ok then. Job done.

I don't think NFs and NTs are at all alike in this regard.
 

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My experience is that I love NT's. Although I usually cannot relate in the beginning, I always end up enjoying the company of NTs. They bring out the best in me- change and growth. My favorite philosophical discussions have been with NT's.
 

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My experience is that I love NT's. Although I usually cannot relate in the beginning, I always end up enjoying the company of NTs. They bring out the best in me- change and growth. My favorite philosophical discussions have been with NT's.
Philosophy! My favorite! What would you like to know?
 

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I was deeply involved with an NT, for many years. In hindsight, she took much identity from the relationship, which wasn't the best thing --- and had done so in her previous relationship, and again in the relationship she entered after we parted.

I haven't known enough NTs intimately to know if she was typical or an exception, where identity was concerned ...

How did she take identity from the relationship? Was she further defining herself as she already was? In what way was the identity she drew from the relationship not the best thing?
 

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Philosophy! My favorite! What would you like to know?
well if everything is...then nothing isn't...and you can't have nothing is then because everything would be...and you'd have ants running around with top hats and there's just no room for all that...is that the particular philosophy you subscribe to? or what? :D

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well if everything is...then nothing isn't...and you can't have nothing is then because everything would be...and you'd have ants running around with top hats and there's just no room for all that...is that the particular philosophy you subscribe to? or what? :D
Your ifs are questionable, young lady. Why must everything be?
 

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yes...WHY....WHY is the answer
 

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Philosophy! My favorite! What would you like to know?

:) Funny, "What would you like to know." is it possible to know philosophy? Is Philosophy full of facts, or more of a debate?

I am not afraid to engage in philisophical debates with NTs, although I am at my best when the subject is in relation to people. I fully admit, I have little in depth precise knowledge when it comes to just any subject.

I am aware that many NTs decide on "specialty" areas of interest and become very well-versed on these subjects. As far as I know this is the closest to the NF's lifelong search for identity- only for the NT the search is for knowledge, competency, and such.

Thoughts?
 

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:) Funny, "What would you like to know." is it possible to know philosophy? Is Philosophy full of facts, or more of a debate?
A debate over facts, perhaps? What I know about philosophy is that I have a vast library of conclusions in my head, which are by their philosophical nature, naturally subjective. So, if you want to know something as I know it, ask.
I am not afraid to engage in philisophical debates with NTs, although I am at my best when the subject is in relation to people. I fully admit, I have little in depth precise knowledge when it comes to just any subject.
I ain't afraid of no man.

I am aware that many NTs decide on "specialty" areas of interest and become very well-versed on these subjects. As far as I know this is the closest to the NF's lifelong search for identity- only for the NT the search is for knowledge, competency, and such.
I'm a generalist, which in a roundabout way means I'm a specialist in philosophy, because I know a little about everything.
 
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I sure as hell did, but I think I'm more F than most and I identify pretty well with Enneagram 4.
 
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