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    The elder Holmes Mycroft's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Heh, the OP is talking about not laughing at some program that his friend finds hilarious. You don't think that has more to do with personality than intelligence?
    You must be referring to an abridged version of the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Provoker View Post

    Thanks for the feedback so far!!
    I have nothing to add to this except FDG, that was a really good NT to NT post. I felt like you two were speaking the same language and you made sense to provoker, like you reached something in the cockles of his mind.

    Provoker, I liked your post above better than your OP. You explained yourself better and didn't come off as condescending. I understand what you're saying now.
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    May I suggest a nice, stiff drink so that you don't care what innanity you're being faced with?

    On the other hand, I play dumb to fit in during social situations, then end up with my eyes glazed over in boredom asking where the beer is, or wandering outside to smoke and hide from everyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Provoker View Post
    The question emerges: how does the politics of intelligence affect your behavior in real time?
    The politics of intelligence may affect my behavior in real time the same way that it does for you. As NTJ's, we tend to process things in a similar way.

    I found myself hesitating between being focused on a) the message a person is conveying and its informational value or b) the relationship with the other person.

    The postulate us NT's often have is that other people also focus on the message likes us. The problem is that many other types have the postulate that other people focus on the relationship like them (even ST's). This arrives to akward situations of communication where you are dicussing something logically, say inadvertently something that has a negative effect on the relationship, and the other person interprets this as though you had the intent of bothering them. Ironically, you were being very respectable by arguing because you were postulating that they would be focusing on the message. As an NT, this is your way of building a relationship, by seeing a logical problem in front of you and the other person... and building a bond by solving the problem together logically. This is not necessarily other people's way of doing things.

    In order to resolve the dilemna between focusing on the message or the relationship, I would advise you to identify personality type first and adapt your communication style depending on the other person. In practice, you will probably find that only NT's enjoy consistently focusing on the message. Many types do not care so much about the content of the message, but how the things others say will make them feel and what they mean for the relationship. This is a perfectly valid way of communicating too that an NT must accept. It's not because you say something that is not message focused that you are losing your integrity. You can have integrity in terms of how you are related to others too, and how the things you say affect your relationships. For example, if someone asks you "do I look fat in that dress", and the message focused answer is "yes", delivering this will mean losing your relational integrity to the other person.

    One compromise I have found is to focus on the message but filter parts of my reasoning that may have a negative impact on the relationship. Although this requires more energy, it provides a "best of both worlds" approach.

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    Glowy Goopy Goodness The_Liquid_Laser's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    You must be referring to an abridged version of the OP.
    The funny thing is that I think you are referring to something that isn't even there.
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