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[NT] INTP vs. ENTP

The Ü™

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INTPs are more slyly funny from what I've seen (one of my best friends is an INTP, as is my father)- they'll just slip a joke in somewhere with a completely straight face and unless you're paying attention and know something about the world there's a good chance you'll miss it. If you notice it though, it's hillarious.

ENTPs I know talk a lot more- less amusing if we're going a words per laughability ratio definitly. :doh:
 

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It's mostly natural, but they can't give in to the wrong impulse, say the wrong thing, do the wrong thing... that takes some form of self-control.
Yes, but charismatic people are so natural in their expression/personae that nothing they do or say ever seems *forced*, so any self-control they do utilize/exercise is deftly quick and hence, unnoticeable.
 

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I'll have you know that it's impossible for me to keep a straight face when telling a joke in real life; I'm often very fiery in my expression. That's why I love the Internet, because I can be dry and subtle.
 

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How so?

Those who are charismatic tend to be effervescent, happy, sincere, comfortable in their skin, warm and overall confident.

Self-control?

Not particularly, charismatic people are quite natural, (and free-flowing), in the way they express themselves.

To hold court is an art of throwing everyone slightly left-of-centre. The well-placed word, knowing when to say what, and how, yet always at ease with the self.

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Yes, but charismatic people are so natural in their expression/personae that nothing they do or say ever seems *forced*, so any self-control they do utilize/exercise is deftly quick and hence, unnoticeable.

Ever heard of emotional volatility?

Sometimes it's best to keep that reserved.
 

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Feynman was ENFJ actually ;), but anyway. /Tesla/ was ENTP.
 

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I would type both Tina Fey and Zooey Deschanel as INTP, and I think both exude a quiet charisma.

I can be more charismatic when I want to--it's the old Spencer Tracy trick of turning it on when you don't mind the attention and off when you'd rather not be bothered. Most of the time I don't want the attention, though.

Es are probably more likely to have charisma, though. When I think charisma, I think of people like Robert Downey, Jr. Just something effortless about his personality that makes everyone think they'd be his BFF (or perfect mate) if they knew him.
 

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I dunno, perhaps I am seeing this from an ENFP standpoint, but your description of a charismatic person as using, "The well-placed word, knowing when to say what, and how" seems, *forced* and Machiavellian to me, and therefore indicative of a snake-like charm and not a natural form of charisma.

I could be wrong though.

*shrugs*
 

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I honestly don't know if this is true, so it's as much a question as it is a suggestion, but perhaps ENTPs operate like this:

Act, Reflect, Act, Reflect.

While INTPs operate like this:

Reflect, Act, Reflect, Act.
 

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Yes, but charismatic people are so natural in their expression/personae that nothing they do or say ever seems *forced*, so any self-control they do utilize/exercise is deftly quick and hence, unnoticeable.

For some charismatic people, it can be almost effortless, that's probably right, but I think a lot take steps to overcome or control certain aspects of their personality that conflicts with being charismatic. Anger issues, self-esteem issues... any disorder or negative really. No one's perfect.
 

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I honestly don't know if this is true, so it's as much a question as it is a suggestion, but perhaps ENTPs operate like this:

Act, Reflect, Act, Reflect.

While INTPs operate like this:

Reflect, Act, Reflect, Act.

What if you do both at the same time?
 

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I believe charisma is an inborn characteristic/suite of traits.

Those who are charismatic have been charismatic since they were kids.
 

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I dunno, perhaps I am seeing this from an ENFP standpoint, but your description of a charismatic person as using, "The well-placed word, knowing when to say what, and how" seems, *forced* and Machiavellian to me, and therefore indicative of a snake-like charm and not a natural form of charisma.

I could be wrong though.

*shrugs*

Charm vs. charisma vs. machiavellianism....

The difference is merely what comes naturally, isn't it, as you said; and I've said up there that the person is always at ease with themselves...

and how suspicious the purveyor is sometimes matters too.

Someone who naturally puts others at ease, it could be learnt from observation that it is what the other needs sometimes, so you give it. Is that machiavellian... knowing how to respond in a way others want.

I know the snakes you mean, I face them at work. FWIW, anyone with charisma wouldn't be a turn-off nor leave an oily feel. :sick:
 

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I honestly don't know if this is true, so it's as much a question as it is a suggestion, but perhaps ENTPs operate like this:

Act, Reflect, Act, Reflect.

While INTPs operate like this:

Reflect, Act, Reflect, Act.

You're so generous towards me Senor Sponge! :holy: You assume that I reflect twice as often as I do or so... it should go Blab, Act, Say something dumb, reflect :laugh:
 

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I believe charisma is an inborn characteristic/suite of traits.

Those who are charismatic have been charismatic since they were kids.

Yeah I see that point of view. I just word it as "traits that favor charismatic behavior" are inborn. Social etiquette, especially the finer points, must be observed and learned.
 

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Anyhow, back to the topic:

The difference with an ENTP/INTP especially in mature ones would be less obvious, I think.

Mainly because the older INTP learns that imperfection is ok, and becomes very chill. That's the stage they're lovely to be around with. I think they could resemble ENTPs there in the willingness to engage in Ne type ideas and explorations, "just to see".

With ENTPs, there's a greater awareness of self, and that provides the grounding to the flightiness they may have exhibited in earlier ages / bouncing around uncommitted to anyone and anything.

FWIW, I find the sympatico with INTPs something harder to find with other types. But I could be biased since I grew up with one. :)
 
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