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    [QUOTE=Babylon Candle;344621]All I am asserting, is that many NFs make the extrapolation from "being intellectual, reflective, and liking abstract ideas" to their view of their actual inherent intelligence. This is reflective of the NF ability to romanticize everything, to the point that their world view really does not reflect the true realty.
    Right, we're guilty of this somewhat, and I'm asserting that each person's intellect should be judged according to their interests, so this inference may be valid, and it's our measure of intelligence that is not. I'm just being clear on my position. No music or aesthetics were involved when I took an IQ test. This idea of "EQ" has emerged though, so maybe that fills in some gaps, but I don't know anything about it.

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    I have spent a lifetime underrating my intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GZA View Post
    I used to be kind of a smartass. Maybe I stll am, but not as much, I don't know. It's no longer important to me to be smart. Winning a debate, knowin more facts, having more abstract ideas... I used to try to do all of that, but then I realized I was just being a dick. Being intelligent doesn't matter to me now because intelligence does not earn you anything. You have to do work and make things happen, which I'm finding is different from my idea of intelligence I was chasing before. So I guess I used to romanticize it and my own intelligence a lot but now I'm finding it's all irelevant anyway.
    that statement of doing work and making things happen sounds like a demand from SJ surroundings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    3. Beyond the deceptions I have mentioned in point 2, many NF stereotypical activities do require some form of skill and abstract thinking. Writing good poetry, fiction, and exercising tact in human relations all require a degree of skill. NTs can obviously be good at these things as well. however, for the sake of conversation I am working with the archetypal view of NT intelligence being more quantitative. The fundamental difference I see here then, is that most of these NF intelligences are not quantitative. This leaves a lot of wiggle room for believed intelligence to extrapolate its perceived weight into fields that it may not actually excel in.

    4. I often experience the dangers of being an NF who feels smarter than they actually are based on incorrectly extrapolating intelligence in verbal and arts to areas that my intelligence really does not excel at.

    5. I am curious if anyone else ever experiences this romanticized view of their intelligence? I wonder if its a NF thing or even just a N thing?
    I think that you are mistakenly equating intelligence with "quantitative ability". I wasn't aware that this is the standard against which we are judging people's levels of intelligence, since standard IQ tests usually test verbal skills and memory as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    common theme:
    1. real world work can often be more Te than any form of Ne/Ni (high intelligence)
    When I say work, I mean the effort it takes to make something happen, to create something (which doesn't neccesarily mean art, it can be anything that involves changing the situation or circumstance). but yes, I suppose "Te" describes this, although I no longer believe in the functions in any real way.

    2. I actually think you are proving my point: "Winning a debate, knowin more facts, having more abstract ideas... I used to try to do all of that, but then I realized I was just being a dick. " what does that sound like? It sounds like an NF who thinks they are smarter than they really are and goes around trying to prove it! (i am NOT attacking you , I admit that I do this too and I think its an NF thing. hence this thread)
    Thats exactly it though, thats what I'm saying. I'm saying I was trying to prove I was more intelligent then other people when really, as I was saying, I was just being a snotty asshole. I'm pretty sure I included it in my previous post (but I havn't double checked) but intelligence is no longer a characteristic I am hell-bent on having. Especially in relation to other people. I'm intelligent enough for whatever it is I want to do, so all I care about it making things happen and materialize now. Thats what I mean by doing work, I mean that no matter how many philosophies, theories, ideas, ect you come up with, you will stagnate without taking action to materialize these ideas into something useful. So the short of it is that I used to be an NF who was trying to be smarter then everyone, but now I am a person who is trying to make things happen in my life, with the realization that being intelligent does not earn you anything in itself.

    IEE623 Said:
    that statement of doing work and making things happen sounds like a demand from SJ surroundings.
    It has nothing to do with SJ's. No one has demanded it of me except myself. It's about putting dreams into action to make them a reality. It's about dreams and ambition being put into action to become your life and your love. In typological terms, it is Fi on steroids working out on a Te machine designed by a hundred Chuck Norris monkeys

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    I see intelligence as fluid based on context. My own mental skills are not consistently at the same level even given the same task on a different day. Also, the context of how intelligence rates amongst a peer group is variable. Intelligence is not a fixed attribute one can measure and point to like the length of one's nose. It plays out over time and in many contexts.

    For some reason it is especially important to me to know where I stand intellectually and to accept the truth of it regardless of my initial assumptions about myself. The idea of romanticizing intelligence, especially if that means thinking more highly of one's skill than is truthful, is a specific turn-off in my mind. I suppose I have a fear that not knowing my limitations would be the ultimate form of stupidity. In the past I have gone to lengths to avoid it and end up second guessing myself often. The assumption that one already knows can be a barrier to learning. The only way I know to grow is to be able to diagnose most accurately what I don't know.

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