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Thread: Do NFs have agenda?
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07-01-2008, 03:21 PM #41Forming characters! Whose? Our own or others? Both. And in that momentous fact lies the peril and responsibility of our existence. - Elihu Burritt
Member of the Maverick's Biker Club - Now crashing through walls instead of just..walking into them.
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07-01-2008, 04:01 PM #42
In that case I am sorry. It is just that I wanted to avoid simple answers.
And to be honest I did not have an idea that my original post was so hostile for NFs.
But that would expailn the reaction quite well.
And where I live word stereotype can be used for cases where stereotype
is correct or incorrect.Last edited by Virtual ghost; 07-02-2008 at 01:40 PM.
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07-01-2008, 06:19 PM #43
Are you serious?
What a fascinating concept - an NF conspiracy. Hah!
Personally, I've given up on politics. (I'm not even sure if by "agenda" you meant "political agenda".) Why have I given up? Because it requires group action, and I've given up on groups. Why? Because even the people who believe that they are politically awakened are usually still not thinking for themselves. They are reacting, reacting, reacting.
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07-01-2008, 06:50 PM #44“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
~ John Rogers
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07-01-2008, 07:33 PM #45
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07-01-2008, 09:06 PM #46
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Didn't fully realize we were on a save the world mission, but I work with cancer patients, and yeah, I try every day to help my patients save their lives. So my mission is to help my patients save their lives, and to cultivate happiness for me and my son. Happiness = close relationships with a few people who get me and adventure--a speedy ATV, etc
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07-01-2008, 09:12 PM #47“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
~ John Rogers
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07-01-2008, 09:14 PM #48
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There's a BIG difference between an ENFJ and INFP and how they see things and what motivates them etc. Grouping all NF together is just a mistake from the get-go.
ENFJ, INFJ have Fe as judging function.
ENFP, INFP have Fi as judging function.
Me too. In the state of our current world, group action mostly doomed to failure. Here's why.
It is just this banding together and the resultant extinction of the individual personality that makes it succumb so readily to a dictator.
A million zeros joined together do not, unfortunately, add up to one. Ultimately everything depends on the quality of the individual, but the fatally shortsighted habit of our age is to think only in terms of large numbers and mass organizations, though one would think that the world has seen more than enough of what a well-disciplined mob can do in the hands of a single madman.
Unfortunately, this realization does not seem to have penetrated very far and our blindness in this respect is extremely dangerous. People go on blithely organizing and believing in the sovereign remedy of mass action, without the least consciousness of the fact that the most powerful organizations can be maintained only by the greatest ruthlessness of their leaders and the cheapest of slogans...more at the link
Carl Jung from The Undiscovered Self
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07-01-2008, 10:43 PM #49
Yes and no.
No one person can ever be fully whole and healed, and still be a functional living human.
You will always have some type of inner struggle or dynamic.
In biochemistry, when a cells delta-G has reached zero, it is at full equilibrium and has no more potential. This cell is now dead. That is how the circle of life works.
You must have some sort of inner struggle or inner dynamic that you are working with or else you would be perfect. Once you are perfect then you seize to be in the realm of mere mortal.
We must accept the fact that we will never be perfect, but since we were created as social animals, we can work together to help each other achieve the higher levels in life. That is what I meant by saying that I wish to first work on myself to the best of my ability, and then try to help my family and friends work on themselves in hopes of reaching a greater humanity as a whole, in the same way that the atoms in an atomic reactor help to activate each other to change.
So, we agree, on that we need to come together as a whole, but I disagree with the fact that one must be perfect before they can influence others.
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07-01-2008, 10:46 PM #50
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Since when does healing or individuating equal God like perfection?
Am I missing something here?
"Human sickness is so severe that few can bear to look at it, but those who do become well" - Vernon Howard
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