Do NFs have agenda?

[wolfmaiden14]

My agenda is to make the family I wanted, but didn't have. A loving mom and dad, a bunch of kids, a comfortable home with happiness and peace. My agenda is to be a good friend to my friends and to be a little nicer to strangers than they expect.

And also, lunch.

Oh, oh!! That too.

Cafe, would you say you've succeeded?

[Virtual ghost]

It's not a stereotype if it's true.

This thread got so derailed because you cut us all off at the nose. Like angry ayrab said, we want to save the world. One person at a time.

In that case I am sorry. It is just that I wanted to avoid simple answers.
And to be honest I did not have an idea that my original post was so hostile for NFs.
But that would expailn the reaction quite well.

And where I live word stereotype can be used for cases where stereotype
is correct or incorrect.

[SquirrelTao]

We all know that NTs have general agenda and everybody know what it is.
(at least I think so)

Are you serious?

So I am asking does the same works for NFs.

By this I mean that, some picture of the world would have to come to reality before NFs can claim "victory".

To be totally direct do all of you have a common goal ?

What a fascinating concept - an NF conspiracy. Hah!

If answer is YES then what is it?

Personally, I've given up on politics. (I'm not even sure if by "agenda" you meant "political agenda".) Why have I given up? Because it requires group action, and I've given up on groups. Why? Because even the people who believe that they are politically awakened are usually still not thinking for themselves. They are reacting, reacting, reacting.

[cafe]

Oh, oh!! That too.

Cafe, would you say you've succeeded?

Reasonably so, I think, so far.

[spirilis]

Reasonably so, I think, so far.

Yeah, the lunch was good

[grendiecat]

Didn't fully realize we were on a save the world mission, but I work with cancer patients, and yeah, I try every day to help my patients save their lives. So my mission is to help my patients save their lives, and to cultivate happiness for me and my son. Happiness = close relationships with a few people who get me and adventure--a speedy ATV, etc

[cafe]

Yeah, the lunch was good

See? The world is a better place already. NFs are just that good.

[heart]

To be totally direct do all of you have a common goal ?

If answer is YES then what is it?

I ask because from the outside it looks like answer is no.
And I don't accept "We want everybody to be happy" as answer.

Also I ask because the entire NF thing is blur to me.

There's a BIG difference between an ENFJ and INFP and how they see things and what motivates them etc. Grouping all NF together is just a mistake from the get-go.

ENFJ, INFJ have Fe as judging function.
ENFP, INFP have Fi as judging function.

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Personally, I've given up on politics. (I'm not even sure if by "agenda" you meant "political agenda".) Why have I given up? Because it requires group action, and I've given up on groups. Why? Because even the people who believe that they are politically awakened are usually still not thinking for themselves. They are reacting, reacting, reacting.

Me too. In the state of our current world, group action mostly doomed to failure. Here's why.

It is just this banding together and the resultant extinction of the individual personality that makes it succumb so readily to a dictator.

A million zeros joined together do not, unfortunately, add up to one. Ultimately everything depends on the quality of the individual, but the fatally shortsighted habit of our age is to think only in terms of large numbers and mass organizations, though one would think that the world has seen more than enough of what a well-disciplined mob can do in the hands of a single madman.


Unfortunately, this realization does not seem to have penetrated very far and our blindness in this respect is extremely dangerous. People go on blithely organizing and believing in the sovereign remedy of mass action, without the least consciousness of the fact that the most powerful organizations can be maintained only by the greatest ruthlessness of their leaders and the cheapest of slogans...more at the link

Carl Jung from The Undiscovered Self

If I had one goal in life, it would to wake others up to find their own inner direction and clean their own mental/emotional houses in their own way. We have to be whole and healed individuals before we can heal the world. No one else can heal us, they can help us, but it is not something that can be impressed externally. No lasting change can come from external pressures but only through individuals, one by one. This is a hard truth to accept because it can seem so hopeless but it is the only way as far I can see it.

[Angry Ayrab]

If I had one goal in life, it would to wake others up to find their own inner direction and clean their own mental/emotional houses in their own way. We have to be whole and healed individuals before we can heal the world. No one else can heal us, they can help us, but it is not something that can be impressed externally. No lasting change can come from external pressures but only through individuals, one by one. This is a hard truth to accept because it can seem so hopeless but it is the only way as far I can see it.

Yes and no.

No one person can ever be fully whole and healed, and still be a functional living human.

You will always have some type of inner struggle or dynamic.

In biochemistry, when a cells delta-G has reached zero, it is at full equilibrium and has no more potential. This cell is now dead. That is how the circle of life works.

You must have some sort of inner struggle or inner dynamic that you are working with or else you would be perfect. Once you are perfect then you seize to be in the realm of mere mortal.

We must accept the fact that we will never be perfect, but since we were created as social animals, we can work together to help each other achieve the higher levels in life. That is what I meant by saying that I wish to first work on myself to the best of my ability, and then try to help my family and friends work on themselves in hopes of reaching a greater humanity as a whole, in the same way that the atoms in an atomic reactor help to activate each other to change.

So, we agree, on that we need to come together as a whole, but I disagree with the fact that one must be perfect before they can influence others.

[heart]

Since when does healing or individuating equal God like perfection? Am I missing something here?

"Human sickness is so severe that few can bear to look at it, but those who do become well" - Vernon Howard