I know you were joking here, but I think you were only half-joking. You ENFPs really seem to take comments rather personally. I was wondering out loud, without intending to be rude or hurtful.
What I meant to say: I love ENFPs, but I don't undertand them! They do all these weird, awesome things and... what yes, now that you mention it some of them do come off as airheaded, I wonder why that -
*Typhus is set on fire and lowered into a pit of horny crabs*
So let's start over. I'm here to figure you weird creatures out. Don't think I'm here to troll. But if you believe in weird things (astrology, homeopathy etc.), I won't automatically condemn you for it, but
I expect you will be providing me proof to support this claim.
With him Im joking because I know Freeeekyyy, I have more of a background of information on him and I know what he meant when he said what he said. With you, unfortunately, all I have to go on atm is this thread. On top of that, you were displaying signs of a typical problem that ENFPs tend to have with IxTxs, and you asked what Fi was about, so I decided to give you the insider perspective. In my later posts, I did acknowledge that from your reactions, I could tell you don't mean to look down on us, and that I do appreciate.
That said - your Ti is still fighting with our Fi.
Your problem lies in the bolded. Unlike you, we do not approach things with natural scepticism. We do not ask critical questions first, nor do we take things apart. We see the options, the marvellous options if Astrology happens to be true (lets stick with that option). Does that mean we believe in it? Hell no, but we sure as hell are going to get excited in tinkering with it, learning all the ins and outs, what it means and gaining an oversight of what we can do with it and how it supposedly works. We *NEED* to be free to do that. It is how we investigate the world and how our creativity works. And creativity gets strangled when it gets judged, needs to be validated, gets critiqued in its early stages.
Then there is the second problem. You demanding and expecting shit hits our Fi.
Fi tends to believe in 'as long as I dont harm anyone, I can do what I want.' It also tends to value freedom of opinion and letting people be who *they* are, and not demanding them to be who you expect them to be.
... your Ti judges, critiques, expects and demands in a way that we a) cannot deliver b) arent suited to live up to and c) frankly...wouldnt even deliver on if we could, just to spite you for violating the things that make us who we are and what we treasure while telling us you supposedly like and respect who we are. => this is illogical and inconsistent, thus suspicious in Fi-logic. These factors do not add up. These are emotional gaps and inconsistencies that show up in a liar or someone who isn't aware that their pov isn't the pov of others in the world.
Now I'm gambling on the fact that you are in fact becoming aware that people look differently at the world, and that you are trying to learn *how* that works, hence I tried to explain to you again where we differ from you.
And now, Im waiting to see if you will actually *DO* something with that information.
While I can appreciate your Ti preference of needing logical proof and I understand that that is how you see the world (which is similar to how I was joking with Freeeekyyy, coz Ive already done my research on how he works and the fact that he means well), in a hypothetical world where I'm the ENFP you want to get with, you need to do the same for me to consider you as a partner. As a friend, I can probably flex and understand you re stil learning this.
Concretely, this means that if I were to actually date you and our lives would collide, you would get to demand me backing up shit logically (and Id hope youd give me the benefit of the doubt and help me with this as I suck at it) that affects *us* as a couple and our lives together.
HOWEVER. Stuff like astrology is none of your business, unless I want you to take part in it. Homeopathy and me taking it is NONE of your business, unless Im feeding it to you. If I want to believe they work, then it would be in your best interest for your sex life to stfu. At the very least. At best, Id enjoy you actually showing some respect for how I work and perhaps giving me the benefit of the doubt in trusting that maybe, I see something you don't in the things you have trouble not being critical of. Similarly, I'd understand that you don't live up to my Fi standards, that you live by different rules.
This is us as a couple.
As a friend, i'll expect nothing from you. I don't do expectations and I try to accept people for who they are, and I'll flex if necessary. I don't have an actual beef with you in general. In fact, I think you're rather interesting. And I could see myself befriending you. That said...
You're not dating/bed material though. Not at this point.
Im going to say this again - you might want to check out NFJs.
