[NF] NFs and political views anyone?

[NBGamer16]

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[neko 4]

Major liberal here.
Btw, I've read a lot of posts saying that some of the INFJs around here are INFJ wannabes. I don't necessarily want to be an INFJ, it's the type I scored as on more than one test.

 

[ceecee]

My ENFJ was a pretty moderate Republican until about 2010-2012. He's been leaning more left ever since.

Reasons given: Evangelical/religious influence in secular government, far too involved in citizens personal lives and choices. May as well vote Dem as they're exactly what the Republicans use to be. Trump can go fuck himself.

He'll never be as left as I am, this is not an issue for me.

 

[prplchknz]

I'm pretty progressive but i like the democratic socialist model the best, but i'm not well versed in politics i just don't think it's outlandish to have m4a, free college, loan forgiveness, universal basic income. But no We DoNt KnOw HoW We;Re GoInG tO pAy FoR iT! tax the rich and close the corporate tax holes get lobbiest out of politics other countries manage these things so don't @ me with it's not possible, because it is. The issue is wallstreet is pulling the strings and the democrats pretend to give a fuck but I promise they are more interested in the money they can get from wall street and lobbies. I'm voting for biden not because I'm excited but because if I don't we have no hope in the future for a progressive agenda. honestly i fully expect trump to win and this country to descend further into facism.

 

[Pessimistic Hippie]

INFP. I can't call myself an extremist for any party. I see all parties similar to how I view the teachings of different religions, in that I take what feels fair from various ones and that combination is what I believe in.

That's when I bother to think about politics which honestly doesn't even happen often.

 

[miss deceit]

Anarchy is the only option

 

[Lexicon]

Anarchy is the only option.

Whenever anyone suggests anarchy, this immediately comes to mind:

As for the OP: I'm INFJ & politically Left, but overall jaded when it comes to humanity as a whole.
Someday, cats shall inherit the earth & build the utopia we could not.

 

[Craft]

Conservative right wing before high school then...just grew smarter and kinder? So Liberal, then had to run a company and deal with a lot of shitty people and now I'm centrist leaning left.

 

[Population: 1]

I’m an anti-authoritarian first and foremost and I believe in the rights we have in the United States of America through the constitution and the Bill of Rights. If you protect an individual’s rights then you protect every citizen’s rights, regardless of their color, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc. That is how you achieve true equality. Any other form of stratification is tantamount to segregation and leads to societal divides that will ultimately tear a system of governance apart.

The smallest minority will always be the individual.

 

[Maou]

Im technically a Liberal centrist, despite my heavy Ti usage. I'm very empathetic, I also support Trump. Mostly because of how I percieve intention and the bigger picture of politics. To me its like a global scale chess board and I am an observer of the calamity, both removed but also sad. I feel Trump is mistreated and treated very very unfairly. I don't like how the media is emotionally devisive and gas lights the population

 

[The Cat]

Whenever anyone suggests anarchy, this immediately comes to mind:

Me too!

 

[Vendrah]

My political opinion is sort of complicated. And I make it as private as possible outside the web so people wont blackmail me (my country is full of politician minions lately).

In general, I like alternative views, but alternative for real. I used to be a truly Meritocratic from Meritocracy Party (Wikipedia), but since nobody really cares about a true meritocracy (just to have an excuse to say "Im winner, you are a loser, Im the best, you are the worst" with no proper criteria), I had decided to let it go. Anyway, not like there is a real Meritocratic politician to vote here by the way...

My now opinion? Well, thanks to Bolsonaro and Guedes, I really hate conservatism libertarianism/neoliberalism with passion, specially because its not really about freedom at all. However, I wouldnt say that Im really left-leaning. I find the Democrats on US and center-left quite reasonable for my country (for US too), but depending on the country I would lean to center-right instead. I believe that what really dictates country development is how much honest and trufully people are (which is sort of measured by Corruption Perception Index), how intelligent people are (sort of measured by Country IQ) and how Cooperative and Respectful people are (by cooperative I mean how much people are willingly to cooperate and respect others; Competition is as good as it doesnt destroy and prey somebody else). I do believe that ethic standards above left and right should be valued above right and left, without any sort of party or religion absorbing them and trying to make them an exclusive. In terms of administration, I am not in favour of the Minimum State or the Maximum State, but rather the optimal state. I am in favour of using Big Data and statistics to determinate what the optimal state is (I would really like if we had a scientific administration, and by scientific I dont really mean using economics but a more wide scientific administration that uses principles that can be applied to any capitalism, socialism, any ism), where the state should be and not be, but I do admit that several right and left parties over the world know how to manipulate data to lie in favour of their ideologies (neoliberalism is mostly a master on this department) which makes this not much practical, but possible. I am also more in favour of civil (not market) liberties, but with some restrictions and some observations and buts, which makes me sort of like a classic liberalism cousin. I also believe that equality and individualism are stuff that can be harmonized between each other, if both are not taken to extreme.

 

[miss deceit]

Im technically a Liberal centrist, despite my heavy Ti usage. I'm very empathetic, I also support Trump. Mostly because of how I percieve intention and the bigger picture of politics. To me its like a global scale chess board and I am an observer of the calamity, both removed but also sad. I feel Trump is mistreated and treated very very unfairly. I don't like how the media is emotionally devisive and gas lights the population

Do you not think though, that the sheer amount of media coverage he got on all sides was part of the reason he won?

 

[Maou]

Do you not think though, that the sheer amount of media coverage he got on all sides was part of the reason he won?

Oh yes, the science behind exposure is more popular than the negative aspects. As someone who observed him before 2016 election year, I realized he was well aware of marketing techniques. Thats why he talks the way he does. A simple message is both harder to corrupt, and repeated enoigh it gets remembered. He literally used marketing to get his point out on the curtails of controversy and was ultimately successful. Then when in office, he tried his best to meet the goals. But attempting practicality doesn't always mean you win, but its a huge start. Intentions are still good. If you seem Trump before he ran, it all makes sense

 

[miss deceit]

Oh yes, the science behind exposure is more popular than the negative aspects. As someone who observed him before 2016 election year, I realized he was well aware of marketing techniques. Thats why he talks the way he does. A simple message is both harder to corrupt, and repeated enoigh it gets remembered. He literally used marketing to get his point out on the curtails of controversy and was ultimately successful. Then when in office, he tried his best to meet the goals. But attempting practicality doesn't always mean you win, but its a huge start. Intentions are still good. If you seem Trump before he ran, it all makes sense

Of course, it also helped that his opposition was dumb enough to plaster his name all over their campaign (eg. "Love trumps hate" etc.)

 

[Maou]

Of course, it also helped that his opposition was dumb enough to plaster his name all over their campaign (eg. "Love trumps hate" etc.)

Yeah, and the media taking the bait every time. Trump was well aware of how much money poured into certain newsgroups by them reporting on him as well. Technically, they live in a symbiotic relationship of money and publicity. It really goes to show what happens when someone knows how to play the system like a cordycep on the political machine.

 

[miss deceit]

Yeah, and the media taking the bait every time. Trump was well aware of how much money poured into certain newsgroups by them reporting on him as well. Technically, they live in a symbiotic relationship of money and publicity. It really goes to show what happens when someone knows how to play the system like a cordycep on the political machine.

It's always been strange to me that people call him stupid when he clearly knows how to play the system as you said while at the same time portraying himself as the type of person a lot of people were looking for. I've seen some criticise his use of language, saying he has a child's linguistic skills but I think that is also very clearly not true. I think he communicated things very clearly and simple in order to be more easily understood by the general population.

Regardless of whether people agree or disagree with him, I find it to be rather naive to call him dumb. He's very clearly an intelligent man.

 

[Maou]

It's always been strange to me that people call him stupid when he clearly knows how to play the system as you said while at the same time portraying himself as the type of person a lot of people were looking for. I've seen some criticise his use of language, saying he has a child's linguistic skills but I think that is also very clearly not true. I think he communicated things very clearly and simple in order to be more easily understood by the general population.

Regardless of whether people agree or disagree with him, I find it to be rather naive to call him dumb. He's very clearly an intelligent man.

Oh yeah I agree. Even his language usage is a maketing tactic. He is also very charismatic, and tells jokes to make him seem more common. When listening to him, there are no surprises. You know exactly where he stands. A simple message, repeated over and over again is called a "Brand". He literally branded his policies by shortening them to simple phrases (Such as "Build the wall" or "Lock her up") that is easily remembered and shared. It is nothing short of marketing genius. People who oppose him need to realize they can't have it both ways. He can't be a bafoon and a foreign spy at the same time. The simple rhetoric also made him feel more humble to the common working man as well. Trump also never apologies, and thats one of the laws of true charisma and confidence people pick up on instinctually in a leader. It's also a very New Yorker thing to do. He may be an asshole, but he ain't stupid.

 

[Craft]

I don't see how anyone who wants stability would ever vote for Trump. He's too unpredictable, aggressive and brash. Remember, the last great war was just over 50 years ago. We forget and grew complacent about pandemics over 100 years ago and look where we are now. It wouldn't be surprising if the same neglegence and complacency are applied again. The world is always tiptoeing against global disaster and you choose to elect a random. Also he's too ill-informed about basic science and facts. It seeems so messy and incompetent politics. Under the democrats, you have some semblance of order---although it's only because the order is clearly in favor of entrenched interests and you have a political system that continues to degrade. I guess it depends on whether you want a complete plutocracy or an erratic democracy. Either are prone to global self-annihiliation, but the plutocracy can maybe stall for a few decades before everything turns into radiation. With a Trump presidency, who knows what disaster will happen next year. This year was hellish enough. Maybe not hellish enough to start learning from the past.

 

[Indigo Rodent]

Economic Left/Right: -6.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

I don't really believe in politics any more, though because it would mean belief in the others. I don't think any party represents my ideas, though. I doubt even my compass results really represent them.