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    There's also the fact that clinical depression is a pretty all-consuming, oppresive disease... This link explains it in more detail.
    Tentative typing: ISFJ 6w5 or 9w1 (Sp/S[?]).

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    Others on the outside convince them they are not worthy of love to puff up their own sense of self-esteem.

    To question the raison d'être of something that doesn't fit into their worldview rather than growing and adapting to accept that life is more complex than they initially assumed.

    Fear, anger, and sadness are all easier than love.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Body image issues and a general sense that they have accomplished nothing.
    why are these things necessary to love the self?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    why are these things necessary to love the self?
    Maybe because their self esteem comes from an external source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Maybe because their self esteem comes from an external source?
    I guess that's my question. why would someone's self esteem come from an external source?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I guess that's my question. why would someone's self esteem come from an external source?
    http://advancedlifeskills.com/blog/who-needs-approval/
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    money is nice, prestige is nice, friends are nice, beauty is nice, intelligence is nice. if you want to get as much of these things as you can, be my guest, but why are any of these things necessary for people to love themselves?
    These are questions you need to ask yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    These are questions you need to ask yourself.
    myself as in me personally or myself as in "one needs to ask one's self"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    myself as in me personally or myself as in "one needs to ask one's self"?
    The items listed appear to be traits you've valued in the past. Have you realigned or are in the midst of questioning these values?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    The items listed appear to be traits you've valued in the past. Have you realigned or are in the midst of questioning these values?
    I've always valued these things (still do, a lot actually), but I want money, physical beauty etc because I enjoy them, not because I need them to feel valuable. my self worth comes from unconditional self love.

    Edit: sounds a little cliche reading it again, but it's true lol
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