[ENFP] Charles Manson ENFP

[Mal12345]

I see Se, Fe, and Ni.

My confusion is where they're placed at... He's twisted in so many ways. He's immature in how he wants intensify things with Se..like he carries an air of immediately jumping out at you at any moment.. and he's not any better with Fe either. Except, I see that he still revolves around them.

Consider only Fe, Se, and Ni. Take Ni to be primary, so auxiliary has to be Fe. Where does that place Se in the order of things?

 

[KDude]

Consider only Fe, Se, and Ni. Take Ni to be primary, so auxiliary has to be Fe. Where does that place Se in the order of things?

Yeah, inferior Se is possible. I think it can show itself like that. INJ Se is not just "dancing on tables" or eating a lot.. but indulging in a very primal side. Considering that he never actually did anything himself though might show his actual hestitation with it as well. He's more skilled in getting under people's skin.

 

[Lady_X]

i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that fi can be manipulative too. i could see someone using their unhealthy ne to support their unhealthy fi and think sincerely they're doing the right thing...and feel that they're just sharing their truth with you and...you support them because you came to believe the same as they do....i've been told i can be pretty persuasive when i feel strongly about something.

 

[Mal12345]

Yeah, inferior Se is possible. I think it can show itself like that. INJ Se is not just "dancing on tables" or eating a lot.. but indulging in a very primal side. Considering that he never actually did anything himself though might show his actual hestitation with it as well. He's more skilled in getting under people's skin.

Inferior Se, isn't that hypervigilance? A paranoia-based scanning of the environment for possible threats.

 

[Mal12345]

i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that fi can be manipulative too. i could see someone using their unhealthy ne to support their unhealthy fi and think sincerely they're doing the right thing...and feel that they're just sharing their truth with you and...you support them because you came to believe the same as they do....i've been told i can be pretty persuasive when i feel strongly about something.

Persuasive, yes; but manipulative?

 

[Lady_X]

right...maybe not. i haven't seen it in myself or any other enfps....but persuasive yes...which is really more like effusiveness. we just bubble over with excitement over our super awesome ideas! haha

 

[KDude]

right...maybe not. i haven't seen it in myself or any other enfps....but persuasive yes...which is really more like effusiveness. we just bubble over with excitement over our super awesome ideas! haha

I think crazy ENFPs come off more like that hippy chick Amy in True Blood (sorry if it's fiction.. it just comes off the top of my head). She wasn't directly manipulative with Jason. It's more like she was looking up and outward, and away from Jason..pointing to a whole bunch of great things about the world, dragging him along and expanding his view that way. Manson otoh is a psycho who stares you right in your eyes and tries to appeal to people's innermost dreams and fears. The type that thinks he really knows you and cares. He built a whole "family" of mindslaves this way. Same with David Koresh or Jim Jones.

 

[Lady_X]

yeah that amy chick was totally an enfp....idk something about him vibes enfp to me but i've been wrong before haha

 

[Elfboy]

I think crazy ENFPs come off more like that hippy chick Amy in True Blood (sorry if it's fiction.. it just comes off the top of my head). She wasn't directly manipulative with Jason. It's more like she was looking up and outward, and away from Jason..pointing to a whole bunch of great things about the world, dragging him along and expanding his view that way. Manson otoh is a psycho who stares you right in your eyes and tries to appeal to people's innermost dreams and fears. The type that thinks he really knows you and cares. He built a whole "family" of mindslaves this way. Same with David Koresh or Jim Jones.

as an ENFP, I take offense to that

 

[KDude]

as an ENFP, I take offense to that

Watch the show. I can't think of a better type for her. The hippyness has little to do with it btw.. I'm just reminding LadyX who I'm talking about. She watches it.

 

[wildcat]

How are they not fully developed? because they are incapable of remorse or sympathy? they still have intellectual capacity as much as anybody else.

Say - A = B.
A is removed.
B exists?

 

[Elfboy]

Watch the show. I can't think of a better type for her. The hippyness has little to do with it btw.. I'm just reminding LadyX who I'm talking about. She watches it.

I wasn't disagreeing with the chick's typing, what I took offense to was that an ENFP gone bad is NOT like a hippy. really an ENFP gone bad is more like an angry ESTJ with more cunning and volatile emotions (think Anakin Skywalker). hippies are a bunch of pussies

 

[KDude]

I wasn't disagreeing with the chick's typing, what I took offense to was that an ENFP gone bad is NOT like a hippy. really an ENFP gone bad is more like an angry ESTJ with more cunning and volatile emotions (think Anakin Skywalker). hippies are a bunch of pussies

Uh.. cool? It has nothing to do with hippies. Did I say that? Yeah, I think I did.

The character is barely a hippy anyways. It's more like I'm speaking shorthand, as a quick way to signify who I'm talking about.

Anyways.

 

[fripping]

enfj.

 

[Elfboy]

I think he's definitely ENFP or ENFJ, probably 8w7 Sx/So. he has that combination of raw charisma, sense of grand vision, immense power of influence and theatrical flair that make seeing him as any other type very hard. 8w7 Sx/So because of his intensity and ability to connect with people and make them feel like he's talking just to them. I'm really not sure what other possible type he could be

Uh.. cool? It has nothing to do with hippies. Did I say that? Yeah, I think I did.

The character is barely a hippy anyways. It's more like I'm speaking shorthand, as a quick way to signify who I'm talking about.

Anyways.

whatever I'm still offended, but I forgive you
anyways....

 

[jixmixfix]

Say - A = B.
A is removed.
B exists?

I don't know where that logic came from. Sociopaths and psychopaths can be developed in individuals due to environmental factors. In the case of Manson it seemed as though his psychopathy (or sociopathy) stemmed from a harsh upbringing. People develop emotionally in different ways, some people are able to feel sympathy and remorse easier and some not due to how they were brought up. In either sense their intellectual capacity is still there. To say Manson wasn't fully developed emotionally is biased because he had to become what he needed to become in order to survive. Why dd people kill animals? is it because we weren't developed emotionally and intellectually? Or is it because they needed to kill animals for food in order to survive.

 

[Anew Leaf]

I couldn't kill you with just two fingers I'd have to use my body or arms at least to grab you first.

Fail.

 

[Elfboy]

I don't know where that logic came from. Sociopaths and psychopaths can be developed in individuals due to environmental factors. In the case of Manson it seemed as though his psychopathy (or sociopathy) stemmed from a harsh upbringing. People develop emotionally in different ways, some people are able to feel sympathy and remorse easier and some not due to how they were brought up. In either sense their intellectual capacity is still there. To say Manson wasn't fully developed emotionally is biased because he had to become what he needed to become in order to survive. Why dd people kill animals? is it because we weren't developed emotionally and intellectually? Or is it because they needed to kill animals for food in order to survive.

sociopathy, yes
psychopathy: no, it is 100% genetic

 

[Lady_X]

I wasn't disagreeing with the chick's typing, what I took offense to was that an ENFP gone bad is NOT like a hippy. really an ENFP gone bad is more like an angry ESTJ with more cunning and volatile emotions (think Anakin Skywalker). hippies are a bunch of pussies

yeah her being a hippie has nothing to do with it...she was sorta hippish and a bit of a sociopath...or maybe just a drug addict.

 

[Elfboy]

yeah her being a hippie has nothing to do with it...she was sorta hippish and a bit of a sociopath...or maybe just a drug addict.

that's good, the hippie stereotype is probably the thing I hate most about being NF lol