stalemate
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I am a little late to the thread here but this part of the discussion is particularly interesting to me.This is a REALLY interesting point. For me, if I present an idea, I always assume the other person will be capable of thinking through and evaluating it. Thus I would never not share an idea, even a total bullshit one. There is no danger or worry in my mind that an incorrect idea might take root. If it sucks, the idea will be dismantled and rebuilt, discarded, or might serve as a tidbit to give fruition to someone else's idea.
However I have ran into a few of INTPs and INFJs over the last few months who do exhibit concern. Simply by sharing the idea, it seems they cant assume the other person is actually able to think independently thus there is a sense of worry. Almost like the idea is a pathogen, and once released people will just believe it because it was spoken? I am seeing shades of this in your above quote as well.
I dont fully grasp this though...
Thanks for your observations digest, they are really quite awesome. These are areas where I think ENFPs can self-modify, but we have to understand what is off kilter first-thus external observations are appreciated.
Given the way I process the world, nothing is ever really nailed down in my mind, there is just what I believe to be the case at the current time. I can change my mind sometimes without even realizing it. I try to qualify my opinions and ideas in discussions at work, because over the years I have learned that I have a way of unintentionally convincing people of things. Even when I try to qualify something by saying "this is my current best guess and subject to change" it apparently isn't coming across.
What I find is that very frequently, some idea or theory that I floated has been latched onto without me even realizing it. In the meantime I have gotten new information and changed my mind and it turns out that I have sold an idea that I don't even really believe myself anymore. It is incredibly frustrating. I realize that I must be coming off as more passionate and sure of things than what I intend. Part of the problem is that I *do* have good ideas and people know it and they start to trust me, but what they don't understand is I have ideas coming at me constantly and sometimes I share a bad one. It must sound like a good one at the time because I do a good job of laying out how I came to that idea.
Just in typing this out right now I think I might realize one of the problems! When I lay out my thought process, I do it so that other people can help me figure out where I might have gone wrong, but I think other people are seeing my thought process as evidence that I am right! Like the way I reached the conclusion isn't being examined except as a sales pitch almost. They think my thought process sounds good so I must be right and they run with it.
Maybe I am onto something here!