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[ENFJ] The US's (as a nation) Myers-Briggs Profile is ENFJ (Huffington Post article))

Scott N Denver

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I think where this article goes wrong is in the NF evaluation, and what leads to that evaluation. IN particular there is a world of difference between "people want their feelings taken into account and for harmony to be present in group/social situations" and "our work, social, and other structures are actually 'designed' that way."

The US is almost always seen as being ESTJ in character overall, with "rugged individualism" and something of a "rough and tumble" attitude. We like "take charge" and "get things done." We generally like being seen as "strong", "decisive" , and I would add "pragmatic"/"realistic."

Brent Massey wrote a very interesting book titled Where in the World Do I Belong?, and spends several pages giving particular examples why he, and people that provided him feedback on their countries, consider the US ESTJ. Kroeger & Theusen talk about this too, and I'm sure many other MBTI books do too.


Basically, I think this guy is some sort of counselor/psychologist/whatever [a field WAY overrepresented by NF's], and basically said "My NF coworkers seem to want the F harmony/feelings thing, as do my clients, and people sitting around the dinner table do too, therefore *clearly* the US is ENFJ." Apparently he forgot all about our love of: hard work, plans, scheduled, deadlines, "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps", etc.
 

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True. Isn't it illegal or something to falsely claim you have one? :confused:


I would expect, perhaps foolishly, that someone with a Ph.D would have a certain amount of universally applicable intellect and general reasoning capablities.

You are right of course- that would be foolish! Smart people will often try to extend their opinions into areas they have not really studied well, and expect to get away with it because they are generally intelligent. They don't know what they don't know.
 

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You are right of course- that would be foolish! Smart people will often try to extend their opinions into areas they have not really studied well, and expect to get away with it because they are generally intelligent. They don't know what they don't know.

Yes and well the conclusion of the author of the article is obviously wrong. Perhaps he was attempting to be optimistic.
 

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What a load of nonsense. There is a whole series of dubious claims in that article and not just about MBTI. I can't believe this guy has a Ph.D in anything.

It's kind of like The Wizard of Oz - who needs a brain when you can have a diploma.
 

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I think there's a strong strain of "idealism" in U.S. political and cultural attitude. Which doesn't mean "humanitarian" in the way PeaceBaby's framing it--I agree with her there. It may be a mix of idealism and plain old stubbornness.
 

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I think that America is a pretty cool guy eh, invades countries and doesn't afraid of anything
 

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Heres the writer of the articles background....

"Dr. Ed Gurowitz has a degree in Psychology and has worked as a neuropsychology researcher, a psychotherapist, and an organizational psychologist. He is currently working as a management and leadership specialist, consulting, training, and coaching with leading companies. He is a long-time student of religion and spirituality and is currently co-authoring a book on the unity of the world’s religions and how institutional religion counters that unity."

I wonder what his type is....
 

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Heres the writer of the articles background....

"Dr. Ed Gurowitz has a degree in Psychology and has worked as a neuropsychology researcher, a psychotherapist, and an organizational psychologist. He is currently working as a management and leadership specialist, consulting, training, and coaching with leading companies. He is a long-time student of religion and spirituality and is currently co-authoring a book on the unity of the world’s religions and how institutional religion counters that unity."

I wonder what his type is....
Dumbass xNFJ, probably INFJ.
 

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according to himself in the comments under the article hes entj
 

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the points below are good but it seems like those adjectives could easily appy to entj too.

I think where this article goes wrong is in the NF evaluation, and what leads to that evaluation. IN particular there is a world of difference between "people want their feelings taken into account and for harmony to be present in group/social situations" and "our work, social, and other structures are actually 'designed' that way."

The US is almost always seen as being ESTJ in character overall, with "rugged individualism" and something of a "rough and tumble" attitude. We like "take charge" and "get things done." We generally like being seen as "strong", "decisive" , and I would add "pragmatic"/"realistic."M

Brent Massey wrote a very interesting book titled Where in the World Do I Belong?, and spends several pages giving particular examples why he, and people that provided him feedback on their countries, consider the US ESTJ. Kroeger & Theusen talk about this too, and I'm sure many other MBTI books do too.


Basically, I think this guy is some sort of counselor/psychologist/whatever [a field WAY overrepresented by NF's], and basically said "My NF coworkers seem to want the F harmony/feelings thing, as do my clients, and people sitting around the dinner table do too, therefore *clearly* the US is ENFJ." Apparently he forgot all about our love of: hard work, plans, scheduled, deadlines, "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps", etc.
 

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He thinks Obama is open, optimistic, communicative, warm, charismatic? Yep, this goober is just clueless enough to have a Ph.D. :D

I can see Obama as NT, but I don't see any J at all. I/E is hard to tell.
 

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He thinks Obama is open, optimistic, communicative, warm, charismatic? Yep, this goober is just clueless enough to have a Ph.D. :D

I can see Obama as NT, but I don't see any J at all. I/E is hard to tell.

One thing I am sure about is that he's an extravert. I mean, have you ever seen a president - ever - who talks this much? It seems like every day. In addition to the news conferences, he's on Larry King, Letterman, a Barbara Walters special - the guy likes to communicate.
 

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That was an extremely simplistic to the point of inaccurate article. The USA is def. not ENFJ. I'd def say ESJ.
 

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Ugh! While these armchair analyses are sometimes interesting frolics, they should never be confused with a serious, empirically based discussion of personality traits. Plus, this guy obviously doesn't have a sophisticated understanding of the instrument. It is NOT a Cosmo personality test people. Double ugh!

Interesting segue:

I've read from several sources that these are the MBTI types (per testing not just speculation) of these politicians:
  • Barack Obama - ENFJ
  • Bill Clinton - ENFP
  • Vladimir Putin - ISTJ
True? Well, just because it's written down somewhere doesn't make it true. Nonetheless, I could spend about three weeks meandering the implications. Doesn't surprise me at all. Not at all. LOL!

:rofl1:

I think its very clear and obvious that Obama is an ENFJ. Fwiw, before him and Clinton, Gorbachev was apparently the only NF "president"/leader of a superpower, and if memory serves correctly the consenses was that he was ENFJ as well.

Also, Bush W. ISTJ
Bush Sr. I(N)TJ?
Cheney (I)NTJ
 

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I think its very clear and obvious that Obama is an ENFJ. Fwiw, before him and Clinton, Gorbachev was apparently the only NF "president"/leader of a superpower, and if memory serves correctly the consenses was that he was ENFJ as well.

Also, Bush W. ISTJ
Bush Sr. I(N)TJ?
Cheney (I)NTJ

Bush W. - ESTP
Cheney - INTJ
 
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Turn that N into an S and that F into a T and there you have probably half of america if not more.
 

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  • Barack Obama - ENFJ
  • Bill Clinton - ENFP
  • Vladimir Putin - ISTJ
I think its very clear and obvious that Obama is an ENFJ. Fwiw, before him and Clinton, Gorbachev was apparently the only NF "president"/leader of a superpower, and if memory serves correctly the consenses was that he was ENFJ as well.

Also, Bush W. ISTJ
Bush Sr. I(N)TJ?
Cheney (I)NTJ
Bush W. - ESTP
Cheney - INTJ
HUSSEIN Obama- ENTJ
Slick Willy :smoke: - ESFP
Putin- INTJ
Dubs- ESFP
 
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