[ENFP] ENFP: The ENFP bitchslap

[Amargith]

I find though, that as you learn to retreat, and deal with the pain, and therefore have fewer outblows, you also at the same time...become more lethal.

It is one thing to blow up at someone instantly, all unfocused and lash out in a random way..kinda like bitchslapping someone repeatedly. Sure they'll go 'wtf' but it won't *really* hurt. And yes, it can look...cute, I guess, to observers.

If you however learn to pace yourself, pause and only rarely have an outburst..because you try to automatically do that pause, the build up is bigger. Intenser. If someone at that point goes overboard, you can consciously decide: screw it, they aint worth it, and let them have it. And strike with lethal precision. Like a calculated martial arts blow at the weak points of a body. I don't like doing it. But it's a tempting option at times...

 

[Lady_X]

i have to say though...as mad as i can get and go off like this...i i never hurt them where it would the most...i know how to...so maybe that's what you mean...but i wouldn't.

 

[Amargith]

Oh same here..Instead of striking a killing blow at their midriff, however, I'll pick the knee..hurts like hell, but isn't lethal

 

[sculpting]

Oh same here..Instead of striking a killing blow at their midriff, however, I'll pick the knee..hurts like hell, but isn't lethal

Yes. Yes. Yes.

btw, I am so sorry for being a total judgmental bitch awhile back. Rationalizations aside I was really rude. I offer my apologies if you want them, but realize I will feel bad for a long time for being, well. evil.

I know this wasn't your intention, but it's still cute as hell, somehow.

Really? You dont think it's totally nuts? Thanks. That actually means a lot.

Never corner an ENFP. If we have no way out we respond this way. We dont want to hurt people, but it hurts so much sometimes.

 

[sculpting]

If you however learn to pace yourself, pause and only rarely have an outburst..because you try to automatically do that pause, the build up is bigger. Intenser. If someone at that point goes overboard, you can consciously decide: screw it, they aint worth it, and let them have it. And strike with lethal precision. Like a calculated martial arts blow at the weak points of a body. I don't like doing it. But it's a tempting option at times...

yes. Typically I have reached an endpoint. I am ready to sever all connections with that person, thus maximize damage. Yet I still hold back and try not to destroy them. I dont want to hurt people.

 

[Amargith]

Yup. Sucks that even though it feels really good to deal that blow ath the time, instantly after, even if you know it was the right thing to do, you feel soooo frigging lousy for being that cruel.

@ your appology: thnx and don't worry about it

 

[uumlau]

This is interesting reading. In particular, calling it "Te" is a bit of a misnomer.
I've highlighted the parts that I've identified as Te. Emotive/subjective statements are not highlighted.

[QUOTE REMOVED]

The rule of thumb I'm using is that direct commands, and statements of specific behavior/actions/events are Te (perhaps call it "pure Te").

I'm not sure how to describe the rest. I think it's Fi venting through Te, and may very well have a "angry Fe" vibe. The venting is too orderly for Ne, it's rather specific statements of personal feelings, very direct.

On a complete tangent, what the heck is the Road Runner saying, that requires everything he says to be beeped out?

 

[sculpting]

I'm not sure how to describe the rest. I think it's Fi venting through Te, and may very well have a "angry Fe" vibe. The venting is too orderly for Ne, it's rather specific statements of personal feelings, very direct.

On a complete tangent, what the heck is the Road Runner saying, that requires everything he says to be beeped out?

haha, nothing nearly as bad as all the stuff I say huh?

excellent observations btw. I'd like to see other examples of this and see if we can identify the directive elements.

 

[Poki]

haha, nothing nearly as bad as all the stuff I say huh?

excellent observations btw. I'd like to see other examples of this and see if we can identify the directive elements.

your Fi in the initial post sounds like frustration, not rage.

"How can you not get it, can you be that dense or are you just selfish?"

 

[Amargith]

Frustration and hurt/pain caused by personal attacks and misunderstanding usually go hand in hand in these blow-outs.

Indignation and rage are another pair used when others are wronged or values are dragged through the mud.

Judgementalism and incessant hounding will cause frustration and pain, to progress to indignation and rage.

 

[sculpting]

"Can you not just listen to what I asked and leave me alone? " Poki you are right!!! This statement is a very direct request to Fi mirror my emotive state. Fascinating!

I am using Te to try and directly request an Fi understanding.

 

[Lady_X]

yeah totally...it's the commanding general of fi right?

 

[uumlau]

haha, nothing nearly as bad as all the stuff I say huh?

excellent observations btw. I'd like to see other examples of this and see if we can identify the directive elements.

Actually, much of what I didn't tag was also "directive", but it was also subjective: direct statements regarding subjective material. I can easily see how one might mistake it for Fe.

When self-editing what I say or write, especially if I'm going to send an email that might be referenced later on, I do exactly what I did with your post. I take all of the objective statements and get them together in a summary, and I remove all of the subjective ones. Then I put on my "manager's hat" if it's a work email (not that I'm a manager, but I pretend I'm one having to evaluate the email) and frame it in terms of manager's values (which are primarily Te "values", such as high productivity, etc.). Or my forum-reader's hat if it's a forum post. (The "hats" are Ni-usage, btw.) Then I connect/organize the ideas so that they make sense in the chosen context.

By the time I'm done, all of the Fi-content is stripped out, unless I'm explicitly trying to describe Fi in a non-Te way, or explicitly trying to make an emotional connection.

What you read is not "how I think", but rather a single, highly-Te-polished facet of my internal Ni diamond of an idea. How I really think is very "meta", in that there's all of these ideas that are related, but only certain ones can be used to send a coherent message that will obtain results.

 

[Dali]

That tert-Te bitch slap doesn't look much different than my Fe bitch slap...

Just sayin.

can you elaborate? When I piss off my one ENFJ, he typically retreats for awhile, then returns-albeit much more quickly than his EXTP sidekicks.

What does an Fe bitch slap look like? What is the objective?

The major difference, IMO, is that once the Fe uber-bitchslap is set in motion, it never ends unless the bitchslapee physically leaves that space or another person steps in.

i have to say though...as mad as i can get and go off like this...i i never hurt them where it would the most...i know how to...so maybe that's what you mean...but i wouldn't.

I'd tentatively peg that as another component of the Fe uber-bitchslap. No holds barred.

 

[Litvyak]

You know what is the worst?

You're doing a Te-bitch-slap, and some fucker laughs at you because you are just too darned 'cute' or 'nice' to be that 'mean,' so they think you look 'cute' at best and 'ridiculous' at worst.

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're so cute when you say that...

 

[Amargith]

You're so cute when you say that...

LOL *tosses a shoe at Lit*

Go elsewhere, you annoying little INTJ, unless you wanna get Te-hammered

 

[Dali]

^ (Lityvak)

LOL. You looking to get stabbed or something?

 

[Litvyak]

LOL. You looking to get stabbed or something?

Yeah I love playing with fire

Okay okay, I'm off...

 

[INTP]

^ (Lityvak)

LOL. You looking to get stabbed or something?

its so cute when enfp stabs

 

[Amargith]

Oh god it's spreading