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[NF] A honest description of an NF male.

Hexis

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Something in me has been sparked recently on this forum. And im tired of hearing about all the jokes and crap about NFs. This is to give you an idea of how me, Hexis, lives as an NF male and how I truly think. I would like opinions and discussion after you've read the following. The more you are offended by something in the following the more I want your opinion.


I'm an in NF no doubt about it. But in no way do I "feel" for animals who are abused, the poor, starving kids, the homeless, or those less fortunate than me. I like guns, like shooting them and better yet killing and eating an animal I just shot. I dont get teary eyed when I hear about your sap stories. I like using terms that others would find inappropriate to refer to parties of individuals who piss me off. I believe in an eye for an eye. I like fighting with my fists. A normal conversation with my mother includes enough swearing to make a sailor blush. If you offended me in person I would be just as liable to hit you as to call you down. I would be offended if you didnt stand up to me when I offended you. I take pride in being called bronze over brains. The sound of a Harley driving by or a colt .45 going off gets me just as excited as a chick moaning. Porn that a feminist has said personally to be demeaning to women I give five stars. Im offended when women get upset cause they think they should be on equal footing with a man in an MC. I feel women are better fit to be in the kitchen and bringing me a beer but im not against having a sugar momma who wants me at home to take care of the kids. Sup motherfucker is hello for my friends. Hello or hey is for people I dont like. I think of vegetarians as worthless ****ies even though my ex is one now my opinion altered accordingly. I dont do charity cause I believe the people asking for it are scamming me. If I owned a non profit organization my first goal on the agenda would be how to ring a profit out of it. I get pissed when a girl is slandered for having more sexual partners than me, id still hit it. I go for my knife when some bum asks me for change. The sight of kids playing makes me happy. I feel spanking as well as physical training are great motivators for kids. I feel religion is a waste of time. I respect those who can devote their lives to a singular belief. Im offended by those who believe its ok to push their beliefs on others. And I dont like people when I first meet them.

Discuss.
 

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I'm an in NF no doubt about it. But in no way do I "feel" for animals who are abused, the poor, starving kids, the homeless, or those less fortunate than me.

Nothing here is incongruous with being an NF. You are self-absorbed. Standard NF flaw/trait.

I like guns, like shooting them and better yet killing and eating an animal I just shot. I dont get teary eyed when I hear about your sap stories. I like using terms that others would find inappropriate to refer to parties of individuals who piss me off. I believe in an eye for an eye. I like fighting with my fists. A normal conversation with my mother includes enough swearing to make a sailor blush. If you offended me in person I would be just as liable to hit you as to call you down.

These all seem to be culturally driven to me. I used to hunt in my old country, but with cutlasses not guns.

I would be offended if you didnt stand up to me when I offended you. I take pride in being called bronze over brains. The sound of a Harley driving by or a colt .45 going off gets me just as excited as a chick moaning. Porn that a feminist has said personally to be demeaning to women I give five stars.

This is just shameless grandstanding. You don't believe what you said, and neither do I.

All porn is more hilarious than erotic. You will learn this someday. The genitals are also boring compared to other parts of the female body such as a well-shaped collar bone *swoons*

Im offended when women get upset cause they think they should be on equal footing with a man in an MC. I feel women are better fit to be in the kitchen and bringing me a beer but im not against having a sugar momma who wants me at home to take care of the kids. Sup motherfucker is hello for my friends. Hello or hey is for people I dont like. I think of vegetarians as worthless ****ies even though my ex is one now my opinion altered accordingly. I dont do charity cause I believe the people asking for it are scamming me. If I owned a non profit organization my first goal on the agenda would be how to ring a profit out of it. I get pissed when a girl is slandered for having more sexual partners than me, id still hit it.

You're being honest and forthcoming about your intentions and this is admirable. Question: Do you lay out these terms clearly to potential mates? If you can find a woman who has no problem with your views, then both of you will be happy with that arrangement.

I go for my knife when some bum asks me for change.

The sight of kids playing makes me happy. I feel spanking as well as physical training are great motivators for kids. I feel religion is a waste of time. I respect those who can devote their lives to a singular belief. Im offended by those who believe its ok to push their beliefs on others. And I dont like people when I first meet them.

Discuss.

This screams NF more than anything else. You get an emotional reaction based on an image in your head of the nefarious intentions of bums/ religious people/ people you don't know.


If you were a true NT robot, you wouldn't even notice the bum, let alone care enough to go for your knife.
 

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Something in me has been sparked recently on this forum. And im tired of hearing about all the jokes and crap about NFs. This is to give you an idea of how me, Hexis, lives as an NF male and how I truly think. I would like opinions and discussion after you've read the following. The more you are offended by something in the following the more I want your opinion.


I'm an in NF no doubt about it. But in no way do I "feel" for animals who are abused, the poor, starving kids, the homeless, or those less fortunate than me. I like guns, like shooting them and better yet killing and eating an animal I just shot. I dont get teary eyed when I hear about your sap stories. I like using terms that others would find inappropriate to refer to parties of individuals who piss me off. I believe in an eye for an eye. I like fighting with my fists. A normal conversation with my mother includes enough swearing to make a sailor blush. If you offended me in person I would be just as liable to hit you as to call you down. I would be offended if you didnt stand up to me when I offended you. I take pride in being called bronze over brains. The sound of a Harley driving by or a colt .45 going off gets me just as excited as a chick moaning. Porn that a feminist has said personally to be demeaning to women I give five stars. Im offended when women get upset cause they think they should be on equal footing with a man in an MC. I feel women are better fit to be in the kitchen and bringing me a beer but im not against having a sugar momma who wants me at home to take care of the kids. Sup motherfucker is hello for my friends. Hello or hey is for people I dont like. I think of vegetarians as worthless ****ies even though my ex is one now my opinion altered accordingly. I dont do charity cause I believe the people asking for it are scamming me. If I owned a non profit organization my first goal on the agenda would be how to ring a profit out of it. I get pissed when a girl is slandered for having more sexual partners than me, id still hit it. I go for my knife when some bum asks me for change. The sight of kids playing makes me happy. I feel spanking as well as physical training are great motivators for kids. I feel religion is a waste of time. I respect those who can devote their lives to a singular belief. Im offended by those who believe its ok to push their beliefs on others. And I dont like people when I first meet them.
Discuss.

This reeks of Feeling....Fi, especially. You seem to have a hair-trigger for a variety of things that evoke your emotions, and quickly I might add.

It seems pretty easy to evoke emotions in you, where you feel some kind of affront to your personal being (be it self-security, self-image/expression, self-preservation, self-stimulation [e.g., to get a reaction from others], whatever).

It also seems like you let Fi overpower (control you), more than you have (yet) learned to control it. And, I get the vibe (may very well be wrong) but that you have an anger/temper problem.

As an NT, just reading that made me exhausted. It felt like I went on an Fi rollercoaster, without seatbelts. I can't imagine what it's like being the person, forget reading about it.
 

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His point is he's tired of all the stereotyping about NF males being a certain way (ie. pussies,simps,cup cakes)


Honestly I havnt known any INF males, but Ive known a few ENFP and ENFJ males. They fit in just fine. Actually they're less peculiar than the NF females Ive known, who have no restraint in being airy fairy or whatever you call it. ENFPs males I've known are usually very popular and 'cool'.
 

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His point is he's tired of all the stereotyping about NF males being a certain way (ie. pussies,simps,cup cakes)

It would depend on how one understands what a pussy is. For example, to me, people who lack self-control over their emotions are viewed as pussies.

There should be logical rationalizations for almost every thought that I perform into action. I'm not a slave to my emotions (I like, so I'll do, is not enough for me), and from such a perspective, those who are bound by their emotions, and wreak havoc with such states of mind, are seen as weak in character. A battered cupcake if you will.
 

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I would like babyloncandle to give his description of a NF male now.
 

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This is just shameless grandstanding. You don't believe what you said, and neither do I.
I dont think you quite understand me enough yet because of the previous. If I must be frank, gun fire has given me more hard ons then most porns. Most porns feminists would call demeaning to women and the fact that they hate them I like them even more. Im not exactly sure where your thinking im lying but if you'd explain this would help.
All porn is more hilarious than erotic. You will learn this someday. The genitals are also boring compared to other parts of the female body such as a well-shaped collar bone *swoons*
Maybe I will but for now I like me some ass and titties...collar bones? I look at eyes, lips, tits, hips and legs in that order.
You're being honest and forthcoming about your intentions and this is admirable. Question: Do you lay out these terms clearly to potential mates? If you can find a woman who has no problem with your views, then both of you will be happy with that arrangement.
Actually id probably be more happy with a women who can take it upon herself and have the patience to teach me otherwise. I never said I was "against" equality.

This reeks of Feeling....Fi, especially. You seem to have a hair-trigger for a variety of things that evoke your emotions, and quickly I might add.

It seems pretty easy to evoke emotions in you, where you feel some kind of affront to your personal being (be it self-security, self-image/expression, self-preservation, self-stimulation [e.g., to get a reaction from others], whatever).

It also seems like you let Fi overpower (control you), more than you have (yet) learned to control it. And, I get the vibe (may very well be wrong) but that you have an anger/temper problem.

As an NT, just reading that made me exhausted. It felt like I went on an Fi rollercoaster, without seatbelts. I can't imagine what it's like being the person, forget reading about it.

Well I agree my Fi may be out of control on most situations, but I think I prefer living my life this way. I like acting on emotions and instinct, it feels right. Ive tried in the past to suppress or reign in what I suppose you would call my Fi. And each time ended with me being disappointed and feeling ashamed, as if I didnt do what I should have. And if this is something that is suppose to change as I "age" or grow more "mature" then I never want to grow up.

His point is he's tired of all the stereotyping about NF males being a certain way (ie. pussies,simps,cup cakes)


Honestly I havnt known any INF males, but Ive known a few ENFP and ENFJ males. They fit in just fine. Actually they're less peculiar than the NF females Ive known, who have no restraint in being airy fairy or whatever you call it. ENFPs males I've known are usually very popular and 'cool'.

Thank you Super, this was the orignial intention of this. Too many people in my opinion on this forum think of NFs in general as "unmanly", easily offended or down right feminine. And I dont apologize in any sense for my feeling that my "man-hood" has been attacked in these posts. If anything im affronted by the fact that so many males on this forum are ok with being "feminine", its a disgrace as far as im concerned and I dont care what that says about me. Men are men, women are women. And if you want to call me a biased chauvinistic pig then feel free, Id prefer to die what I see as a man than most on this forum will ever achieve cause of their "enlightened" social stand points.

With that said, I do like many of you on the forums so dont take this as an attack....unless of course your a guy who was easily offended by the above. In that case I probably was talking about you. All else, thanks for putting up with me.

Let the discussion continue.
 

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His point is he's tired of all the stereotyping about NF males being a certain way (ie. pussies,simps,cup cakes)


Honestly I havnt known any INF males, but Ive known a few ENFP and ENFJ males. They fit in just fine. Actually they're less peculiar than the NF females Ive known, who have no restraint in being airy fairy or whatever you call it. ENFPs males I've known are usually very popular and 'cool'.

I got his point. My point was that the things he said aren't really incongruous with being an NF. So I guess the NF male stereotypes weren't as pussified as he thought they were.

It was actually a post by me in your thread with that gif image which triggered this thread. So I should have clarified my original post better to prevent this misunderstanding.


The airy fairy-ness, with the enchanted forest avatars, and the pictures of an elf wearing a flowing white gown stereotype applies more to NF women, and most of it is an act designed to lure us into thinking they're innocent. :devil:

Hexis and I have vastly different views on many of the issues he posted above, but I commend him for using himself as a case study, and the honesty it took to post something like this (aside from the boasting).
 

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It would depend on how one understands what a pussy is. For example, to me, people who lack self-control over their emotions are viewed as pussies.

There should be logical rationalizations for almost every thought that I perform into action. I'm not a slave to my emotions (I like, so I'll do, is not enough for me), and from such a perspective, those who are bound by their emotions, and wreak havoc with such states of mind, are seen as weak in character. A battered cupcake if you will.

Damn i meant to qoute this in the last reply too, sorry Qre:us. Well actually I veiw it the other way around. I feel giving in to emotion allows for a certain amount of passion in life. And those who cant have passion or give in to emotion once in a while to be completely worthless. Not pussies exactly but definitely worthless.
 

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Hexis and I have vastly different views on many of the issues he posted above, but I commend him for using himself as a case study, and the honesty it took to post something like this (aside from the boasting).

Haha, thank you. I probably was boasting at some point LOL. But I appreciate your opinion none the less.

And I actually am curios to see how others truly see male NFs on this forum. Maybe most are talking about NF females but a couple of NF males I know in person have talked about this. And with how frequently it happens you'd assume they'd at least mention which gender is being refered to, cause I know im not the only one to be offended.
 

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Well I agree my Fi may be out of control on most situations, but I think I prefer living my life this way. I like acting on emotions and instinct, it feels right. Ive tried in the past to suppress or reign in what I suppose you would call my Fi. And each time ended with me being disappointed and feeling ashamed, as if I didnt do what I should have. And if this is something that is suppose to change as I "age" or grow more "mature" then I never want to grow up.

This is interesting because it calls attention to the fact that something that is so much in control, cannot be reigned in under control because it revels in its "might" as "right". This something in your case being Fi. Fi controls you, so, how can you possibly detach from that pov, and objectively evaluate whether you need to gain control of it? As Fi will answer for you, "Do, don't try to control me. Let me reign free."

Fi supresses any form of control over Fi; objectively necessary or not, is irrelevant. It doesn't feel right (to Fi), thus, it isn't.


Damn i meant to qoute this in the last reply too, sorry Qre:us. Well actually I veiw it the other way around. I feel giving in to emotion allows for a certain amount of passion in life. And those who cant have passion or give in to emotion once in a while to be completely worthless. Not pussies exactly but definitely worthless.

Passions in life do not exist within its own bubbles. Every action has a reaction. Unless you live in an isolated island, by yourself, the consequences of your passions are not just about you, but, all those that are affected by it, in the grander scheme of things. Thus, letting your passions run free, without any thought to restraint, makes you worthless in terms of the greater scheme of things.....if the consequences of your passion affects such things negatively (e.g., harmfully). Self-control means knowing when to let a passion run free, and when to supress it. It doesn't negate passion, it contextualizes it.
 

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This is interesting because it calls attention to the fact that something that is so much in control, cannot be reigned in under control because it revels in its "might" as "right". This something in your case being Fi. Fi controls you, so, how can you possibly detach from that pov, and objectively evaluate whether you need to gain control of it? As Fi will answer for you, "Do, don't try to control me. Let me reign free."

Fi supresses any form of control over Fi; objectively necessary or not, is irrelevant. It doesn't feel right (to Fi), thus, it isn't.
And thus Id have to ask the question. Would I be happier giving free reign to my Fi, or reigning it in? Not even you could know, and beings im pretty happy with it being the way it is I have no desire to change this about my self.




Passions in life do not exist within its own bubbles. Every action has a reaction. Unless you live in an isolated island, by yourself, the consequences of your passions are not just about you, but, all those that are affected by it, in the grander scheme of things. Thus, letting your passions run free, without any thought to restraint, makes you worthless in terms of the greater scheme of things.....if the consequences of your passion affects such things negatively (e.g., harmfully). Self-control means knowing when to let a passion run free, and when to supress it. It doesn't negate passion, it contextualizes it.

So first of all, letting my passions run loose "might" be negative to the world as a whole but not certainly. And you fail to see the fact that I dont care. If I go down in history as another Hitler or another Einstein, so be it. I would in the end be immortal in fame or infamy and be a lesson to others on how to improve themselves either way.
 

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This is interesting because it calls attention to the fact that something that is so much in control, cannot be reigned in under control because it revels in its "might" as "right". This something in your case being Fi. Fi controls you, so, how can you possibly detach from that pov, and objectively evaluate whether you need to gain control of it? As Fi will answer for you, "Do, don't try to control me. Let me reign free."

Fi supresses any form of control over Fi; objectively necessary or not, is irrelevant. It doesn't feel right (to Fi), thus, it isn't.




Passions in life do not exist within its own bubbles. Every action has a reaction. Unless you live in an isolated island, by yourself, the consequences of your passions are not just about you, but, all those that are affected by it, in the grander scheme of things. Thus, letting your passions run free, without any thought to restraint, makes you worthless in terms of the greater scheme of things.....if the consequences of your passion affects such things negatively (e.g., harmfully). Self-control means knowing when to let a passion run free, and when to supress it. It doesn't negate passion, it contextualizes it.

Both excellent points, but there's one glitch. Fi doesn't need control, Fi needs finetuning. It is true the Fi will rebell against any restraint, as it would the same as denying who you are. It is however possible to make those passions smoother and more mallable, have them channeled properly. Hexis has a point when he says that it's what gives meaning to life, passion makes you feel alive and you'd be a fool to lock that away. That would be the equivalent of feeling dead while still alive...worst nightmare ever. While a Fi gone wild can certainly damage the outside world and vice versa, and therefore it is wise to develop it, the way to develop it is not by desperately trying to control it. It's by finding the right way to guide it..to let it flow smoothly while giving it all the freedom it needs.
 

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And thus Id have to ask the question. Would I be happier giving free reign to my Fi, or reigning it in? Not even you could know, and beings im pretty happy with it being the way it is I have no desire to change this about my self.

I don't think you'll know until you've lived beyond the shadows of Fi. So, even when you previously supressed it, it was under the shadows of Fi, thus, if didn't feel too good.

So first of all, letting my passions run loose "might" be negative to the world as a whole but not certainly. And you fail to see the fact that I dont care. If I go down in history as another Hitler or another Einstein, so be it. I would in the end be immortal in fame or infamy and be a lesson to others on how to improve themselves either way.

Oh, I got that "image" (bolded) from your OP - it just looks a whole lot like you care too much about showing that you don't care.

Like you are quite invested in giving a great big :2up: to the world.

But, I'm not demanding you change or anything (impossible - as I'm nothing to you, an anonymous net entity). My opinions are just not in support of what you present, while there are others who will show support to your OP. Just giving the "other side" pov/reaction to your OP.
 

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Both excellent points, but there's one glitch. Fi doesn't need control, Fi needs finetuning. It is true the Fi will rebell against any restraint, as it would the same as denying who you are. It is however possible to make those passions smoother and more mallable, have them channeled properly. Hexis has a point when he says that it's what gives meaning to life, passion makes you feel alive and you'd be a fool to lock that away. That would be the equivalent of feeling dead while still alive...worst nightmare ever. While a Fi gone wild can certainly damage the outside world and vice versa, and therefore it is wise to develop it, the way to develop it is not by desperately trying to control it. It's by finding the right way to guide it..to let it flow smoothly while giving it all the freedom it needs.

I think you're adding a value judgement to the word "control" and thus, interpreting it as negative. Wouldn't finetuning it be a form of control over it? You're directing it in more precise directions rather than it does whatever it wants. That's a "control" over it.

It's by finding the right way to guide it..to let it flow smoothly while giving it all the freedom it needs.

Self-control means knowing when to let a passion run free, and when to supress it. It doesn't negate passion, it contextualizes it.

These sentiments of ours seem to be the same, if you take out any value judgement of the word "control".
 

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Oh, I got that "image" (bolded) from your OP - it just looks a whole lot like you care too much about showing that you don't care.

Like you are quite invested in giving a great big :2up: to the world.

But, I'm not demanding you change or anything (impossible - as I'm nothing to you, an anonymous net entity). My opinions are just not in support of what you present, while there are others who will show support to your OP. Just giving the "other side" pov/reaction to your OP.

Dont give me wrong I do love giving the world a great many big middle fingers. But I do so care how people perceive me, why! As an ENFP is exactly what I thrive on. Ive know an ENFP he likes to claim he doesnt care what people think about him, hes a liar and a pussy. Me though, i like to take what people think about me and store it away to maybe better myself later...dont get me wrong, that doesnt mean I like criticism. Why do you think i come to an anonymous board?
 

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I think you're adding a value judgement to the word "control" and thus, interpreting it as negative. Wouldn't finetuning it be a form of control over it? You're directing it in more precise directions rather than it does whatever it wants. That's a "control" over it.





These sentiments of ours seem to be the same, if you take out any value judgement of the word "control".


Hehe, possibly. Consider it emotional nitpicking over definitions, as you NTs do intellectually when starting a debate. And since you are in discussion with an NFP...it's necessary :alttongue:

Control = surpressing, fighting and conquering to me. Dunno about Hexis, but from his posts I had the impression he might agree with that. And I tried that for years as well. It does *not* work on Fi.

Channeling = mastery, ime. It means you truly understand and grasp how it works, so you can manipulate it more precisely, allowing you to guide it without hindering.

To use another example: Suppose you break a horse oldschool: controlling, putting a restraining briddle on it, forcing it to accept a rider, the works. Now compare it to working with the horse, easing them in and not stiffling their nature. Speaking their language, using their language (of herdlife) in order to guide them to where yo uwant them to be, without crushing who they are, without forcing in any way, and accepting them for who they are, and using that to show them what you want to show them . That, imo, is mastery.

Fi is a wild horse ;)
 

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Dont give me wrong I do love giving the world a great many big middle fingers. But I do so care how people perceive me, why! As an ENFP is exactly what I thrive on. Ive know an ENFP he likes to claim he doesnt care what people think about him, hes a liar and a pussy. Me though, i like to take what people think about me and store it away to maybe better myself later...dont get me wrong, that doesnt mean I like criticism. Why do you think i come to an anonymous board?

You're not afraid to present a less than ideal image of yourself to the world even at the risk of being unfairly judged for it. And if you are judged fairly, you will take it into consideration and work on yourself with it.

I can relate to this. I'm as idealistic as INFP's come, but I can still present myself in a potentially unflattering less-than-ideal light (I can come across as a misogynist). If I am judged for it, I will try to better myself if the judgment is true, and try to defend myself if the judgment is premature/false.
 

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Prince - ENFx?

Ricky Williams - INFP (wore a dress on the cover of SI magazine)

Marilyn Manson - NF of some sort



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Hehe, possibly. Consider it emotional nitpicking over definitions, as you NTs do intellectually when starting a debate. And since you are in discussion with an NFP...it's necessary :alttongue:

Control = surpressing, fighting and conquering to me. Dunno about Hexis, but from his posts I had the impression he might agree with that. And I tried that for years as well. It does *not* work on Fi.

Channeling = mastery, ime. It means you truly understand and grasp how it works, so you can manipulate it more precisely, allowing you to guide it without hindering.

To use another example: Suppose you break a horse oldschool: controlling, putting a restraining briddle on it, forcing it to accept a rider, the works. Now compare it to working with the horse, easing them in and not stiffling their nature. Speaking their language, using their rules in order to guide them to where yo uwant them to be, without crushing who he is, without forcing in any way, and accepting him for who he is. That, imo, is mastery.

Fi is a wild horse ;)

Okay, since we're using horses as analogies - how about seeing the word control = tame?

Not to break the horse (force = control), but, to tame (=control) it to want to do what you would like it to do.

At the end, the only way control would not be an applicable term is if in your analogy you let the wild horse be, no interference at all, letting it run free, but, once you intervene (aiming for mastery)...you've asserting some form of "control" [beyond dressing up the word].

Dont give me wrong I do love giving the world a great many big middle fingers. But I do so care how people perceive me, why! As an ENFP is exactly what I thrive on. Ive know an ENFP he likes to claim he doesnt care what people think about him, hes a liar and a pussy. Me though, i like to take what people think about me and store it away to maybe better myself later...dont get me wrong, that doesnt mean I like criticism. Why do you think i come to an anonymous board?

Yeah, I pointed out earlier that you seem to care. It just seems like you care about "not really caring" (unless others' perceptions agree with the image you hoped to project). Your words earlier:
So first of all, letting my passions run loose "might" be negative to the world as a whole but not certainly. And you fail to see the fact that I dont care. If I go down in history as another Hitler or another Einstein, so be it. I would in the end be immortal in fame or infamy and be a lesson to others on how to improve themselves either way.

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