User Tag List

123 Last

Results 1 to 10 of 34

  1. #1
    Senior Member niki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007

    Default "do what you love, and MONEY will come" - not really?

    because when I do think about this very recently, I have finally come into a conclusion:

    certain jobs will make you gain a lot of money, in relatively much more quicker & easier ways,
    while certain other jobs, no matter how much efforts you've put in 24-hours per day, you can only gain 'that' much money, and wouldn't be able to get rich, especially, super-rich!

    the former is probably most typical big-$$$ businesses jobs/careers, like Property, stock trading, Real-estate, Finance,
    and also 'prestigious' conventional jobs like lawyer, top engineering, and maybe computer programming (this latter job would even still depending much on where u live?)

    while the latter is probably what many 'normal, conventional, or conformist' folks would call: "jobs with very little or no prospect" ,
    ie: teacher, massage therapist,
    and perhaps especially, most 'Art'-related jobs, ie: musician, painter, writer. aside from they're also very very risky, and seemingly have very very little chances of getting rich, or super-rich from it!

    I was talking to my INFP brother about this,
    and I was saying that hence, it is in some ways kinda 'ironic' when we look at the amounts of EFFORTS these two groups spent, and the PAYBACK that they're getting, is not the same correlation.

    that's why, along with that, now I also can't be completly agree with the popular saying (especially in those self-help & motivational books) :
    "you gotta do what you love, and money will come"
    this even including the famous Robert Kiyosaki & Donald Trump, saying this!

    my take on that is, no, when you DO what you LOVE, it will not always yield a lot, and big amount of money!
    in fact, some jobs/careers are just 'that' .....they still leave you with financial burdens, and even, lacking financially! I believe this is also a fact that most of us probably have also observed in reality, isn't it?

    some jobs gives you huge money, in relatively quicker, easier ways.
    while some other jobs give you less/lack of money, BUT, perhaps the 'good' trade-off is other things, and usually unseen, ie: happiness, lack of stress level, befriend with a lot variety of interesting people, experiencing new things, freedom to wander around, etc.

    what do you guys think on this one?
    and which one would u choose (or have already chosen) ??
    please share your opinion.
    Last edited by Bellflower; 07-06-2009 at 01:17 PM. Reason: dual threads merged, old thread dumpstered

  2. #2
    The Architect Alwar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009


    I personally value independence and a good environment over higher pay.

  3. #3
    Was E.laur Laurie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009


    It's usually just supply and demand. If a lot of people can do the job, there is less pay to go with it. If few people can do the job, there is more pay associated with it.

    It can be painful to admit it works that way, but if you look, that is what it is.

  4. #4
    eh cascadeco's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    4 sp


    No, I don't think doing what you love will by default bring money. It may bring other richer rewards (as you point out) but obviously not always money. You know, there's that other phrase, 'The starving artist...'

    The reality is that there simply aren't enough niches - there isn't enough of an economic need, etc - for everyone to pursue their dreams, and for everyone to pursue what they're really passionate about (well, given the nature of how the world turns and the actual jobs/needs in existence).

    That said, I think a certain amount of stubbornness, willpower, and drive (as well as talent and passion) can yield results over time -- i.e. if you refuse to give up, and focus all of your energies on bringing about your business, or your dreams, results will often follow. You just have that 'time' factor - how long will it take, and what are you willing to sacrifice or tolerate in the short term? Will you give up because eventually you need to make ends meet and pay for your bills/living situation (survival) somehow? Will you conclude it's simply not worth it to 'pursue what you love', and you decide instead to look at the job thing more pragmatically, that it's a necessity, and life can be found outside of the job?

    As for what I've 'chosen', I choose happiness/satisfaction/fulfillment over money, hands down. I've never been one to pursue money. That said, I require it to survive, and I haven't found anything yet that fulfills me. This is a neverending issue of stuff. I oscillate back and forth when it comes to my opinions on it -- viewing the Reality of things can really put a damper on your belief that something better is possible/feasible, but I do know others can, and do, manage to find a way to make things work out for them. So I don't think it's impossible either. I know most jobs out there aren't for me, and I'd be quite unhappy/unsatisfied with them, so I keep at it and keep trying to find that perfect balance, or I keep changing jobs every few years. It'll be a lifelong 'process' for me, I think - unless I eventually hone in on something I truly enjoy AND can make a living off of.
    "...On and on and on and on he strode, far out over the sands, singing wildly to the sea, crying to greet the advent of the life that had cried to him." - James Joyce

    My Photography and Watercolor Fine Art Prints!!! Cascade Colors Fine Art Prints

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2008


    the idea that money will always comes from doing what one loves comes from one basic notion: money follows human commerce. If you're doing what you love, people will talk about it and trade about it, and you'll eventually get paid by SOMEONE

    Basically, if you're not making money off of something or you're not able to receive any kind of alms, then you don't really love it, or you don't love it for the right reasons. Money follows proper passion, not improper passions such as vanity or what have you.

    the world just seems cutthroat about it because money doesn't always come in the proportions you expect it to ALL of the time. This is why God created Artisans, afterall - someone's gotta promote you if you are truly PASSIONATE about what you create. If your creations generate nothing in the human soul, then they probably suck, which means you just don't really love it to begin with. Find something else, if that's the case.

    Street musicians are the perfect example, here. Money just FOLLOWS from what they do, because they truly LOVE sitting on that street corner, ALL DAY, just playing licks of jazz or what have you. People notice that and WANT to pay that person, because it makes sense. If you're there because "its a job, its income", well guess what? Of course that money wont follow, because you HATE it and just want money.

    Its about proper passions - money follows from them, not before them.

  6. #6
    Senior Member Snow Turtle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007


    Isn't the message meant to represent the fact that with passion comes the ability to become successful. I don't believe that many people have passion for work though. Most things have things they can progress towards: Teaching -> Positions with higher responsability... Therapy -> Bigger self business etc.

  7. #7
    Senior Member Kyrielle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007


    Quote Originally Posted by niki View Post
    what do you guys think on this one?
    and which one would u choose (or have already chosen) ??
    please share your opinion.
    It all depends on whether or not you measure success by how much money you make.

    I do not, and many other people who are teachers or massage therapists or artists do not as well.

    Some value the wealth of being satisfied at the end of the day that they've done something they enjoy. Some really have no choice but to have a job with "no prospect", but as a result of being forced to live more frugally, probably do not equate success with money.

    So no, doing what you love will not always mean you rake in tons of dollars. But is that why you're really doing what you love? Isn't the point to do what you love so you enjoy yourself? And isn't the point of making a career out of something you love born out of a desire to do what you love as much as you can? (Because otherwise, more time would be spent in a job you do not lenjoy.) In this sort of mindset, doesn't money play a lesser role and would it not, somehow, show up if you were smart about what you were doing?

    Anyway, personally, I'd rather have a job where when I wake up in the morning, I look forward to the work I'm going to do that day. With that sort of mindset, I'm not looking to get rich, but I am looking to be able to live comfortably (not scraping by, having a little bit of extra money left in the budget).

    And I wouldn't call other people who equate money with success as "normal, conventional, or conformist". Just call them people who equate money with success. It's not a good or a bad thing. That's just want those people want out of life. The part quoted sounds a little derrogatory.
    "I took the one less traveled by,
    And that has made all the difference."

    Robert Frost

  8. #8
    Self sustaining supernova Zoom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009


    I figured out what was important to me, then thought about what lifestyle would suit those things best and financially maintain what I want, along with activities I participate in. I knew that money was important to me only so far as I want to have savings, some pleasure money, and not have to worry about money every single month.

    I fully expect to work into my "elderly" years and don't really like the idea of retirement, because to me that implies that I haven't made it a priority to do what I love during my "younger" years as well as have a focus on work - I don't think one sphere or the other should suffer in the long-term. A balance is what I really want.

    So for me, when I looked at my passions and money, I knew I could go into a tech-based field (engineering, among others) and make a lot of money - and be miserable, because I consider them fantastically boring in practice (though I love the study of all of them). I needed something where I was using my hands, mind, and which I could leave outside the door when I went home, because I don't want to be on call for my job more often than not.

  9. #9
    Seriously Delirious Udog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    9w1 sp/sx
    INFp None


    Doing what you love is a good start, but you still have to be smart about it if money is a priority. You will need to find something that either brings high value to someone that can pay you well for it, or bring value to a large number of people.

    One reason many people never make it to the next level is that they become one dimensional in their abilities. For example, unless you are the best damn artist in your area, you will need more than just raw talent alone to make it rich.

    To counter this, one trick is to develop many passions, and find a way to combine them in a unique way. This has the potential to separate you from the crowd, and you won't even need to be the best at skill A anymore. You make yourself special in your ability to combine skill A with B.

    For example, it's rarely the best artists that make it to the big times. Instead, it's usually a good artist (think 80% percentile) that also is very good in another skill, like marketing himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    Its about proper passions - money follows from them, not before them.
    That was a neat post. I hadn't heard anything quite like that before.

  10. #10


    I just tried to get all of my career goals to line up in the best way possible. I'd been interested in video game design from a young age, and I ended up going into simulation after being left completely unimpressed by engineering. Simulation conceptually overlaps greatly with gaming, it still allows me to be creative and adaptable, and it has an advantage in that it actually pays the bills.

    (I'm toying around with also picking up a side gig as an independent game developer, though.)

    I could get an even higher-paying job if I went corporate, but I would then lose the level of flexibility and the good environment that I have now. So that's where I have drawn the line.

Similar Threads

  1. [MBTItm] What do you Love and What do you Hate About NTs?
    By Tigerlily in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 70
    Last Post: 09-20-2014, 06:11 PM
  2. "Do what you love, and money will follow"
    By mujigay in forum Academics and Careers
    Replies: 76
    Last Post: 10-30-2011, 03:02 PM
  3. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 07-06-2009, 01:01 PM
  4. [NF] Fe and Fi, say what you love about your F function!
    By BlueScreen in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 11-17-2008, 06:25 PM
  5. People You Love and Admire
    By Mempy in forum The Bonfire
    Replies: 44
    Last Post: 10-06-2008, 09:59 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO