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Oh good luck Sytpg!!!
Oh good luck Sytpg!!!
Maybe 'introverted' is an inprecise term here.
In a manner of speaking. I would personally redefine it as what you want to do, as there are situations in which extroverts are prevented from interacting with people to some degree.What I am saying is that you have problems with subjectivity here. The things/traits you treat as somewhat asocial are still quite social from the position of real introverts.
It is not what you do, it is how much you do it.
PS... Jack your avatar is really fun cos now I read every post from you as though you are about to tear someone into shreads LOLOL
In a manner of speaking. I would personally redefine it as what you want to do, as there are situations in which extroverts are prevented from interacting with people to some degree.
Changing the defining characteristic from practice to want makes it as general as is possible, because it includes everyone in the class.But if they are prevented that does not actually reduce their need for social interaction. That leads them to depression.
The point of this is not to discuss special cases and my post was written with very general things in mind.
Changing the defining characteristic from practice to want makes it as general as is possible, because it includes everyone in the class.
Yes, but the possibilities don't stop there. There could even be a psychological block, like agorophobia.my guess is that he means life/ work obligations a move or job transition that changes your normal social routine in some way.
I have one request for ENFPs.
When they say "then I become introverted" what that actually means.
I would like to hear how much this introverted phases last and what do you do during them. Also, do you get out of this state fast if some interesting social offer comes your way?
Can I just chime in again that no, I don't feel I have an infp inside me. I also hope I don't have an intp inside me. I have an ENFP inside me and I have me inside me that struggles constantly to be out there and shine.
No offense, but as an ENFP and just me, life just seems harder as an INXP. I can identify sure, with a lot of the make up (or cognitive functions) of INTPs or INFPs and again, I have great friends of both types.
But, I really value and appreciate my extraverted functioning -- the fact I draw energy from the outside world and need to be in the mix and with people. Without it, I would not be who I am. Extraversion and the need and desire to be with the world stomping on grapes with the best of them, that is a core part of who I am.
I would not want to be an Fi or Ti dominant person, nothing personal. I just don't like how close-circuit those systems seem to me, I want to be with people and with the world, and though you can criticize Ne all you want, it at least prevents me from collapsing in on myself. Ne forces my being to pay attention to everyone and everything else around me.
INFPs and ENFPs are very different animals. Maybe made from the same clay but molded quite differently. This is why I like my INFP friends, we're from similar schools but very different people so we mutually pique one another's interest. This is also why sometimes I can get frustrated with them because I feel I can understand how they react to things but they reach very, very different conclusions and interpretations and ultimately make different decisions from me. This is why I don't identify with having an INFP inside me.
I think people are perhaps confusing true introversion with 'low' periods in one's life. Nothing at all wrong or judgement laden about true introversion, but just as it's stressful to force an introvert constantly in the limelight and force interaction with them at huge parties and schmoozing, it's stressful for an extravert to be forced into prolonged solitude, even even if it's 'self imposed'.
ENFPs, when you find yourself in that slump or too long gone in hiding, you're really just hiding from yourselves and how sensitive you are to the world. It doesn't work. You're not an introvert. You might be lazy (hahaha), you might be super laid back and go with the flow, but you're not an introvert. It's not going to sustain you in the long run or give you strength the way it can for a true introvert. And even introverts need to get out of the house once in a while!
FTR, I am more likely to test as INTP than INFP.
Speaking of all that, I need to get my lazy, ennervated ass out of the house.
See ya!!
I agree with ea, this does make sense. So maybe I should follow Jacks advice and ask you this:
Could it be that you temporarily make your auxilary function dominant due to circumstances?
What I mean is..when I'm pissed at the world, I'm way more likely to use Fi and judge everything than I am likely to use Ne and seek more input.
I'd appreciate your opinion
Generally, when we are stressed we tend to seek comfort. We are most comfortable using our dominant function. Therefore when we are stressed we are more likely to over-rely on our dominant function rather than our auxiliairy.
I think you said something similar to what I said few posts back but in much more gentle way.
Since you mention Fi and Ti, what do you think about Ni since it is a form of intuition like Ne? Would you take it as dominant function?
Do you say that because of what you academically understand Ni to be and Jung's "Description of the Introverted Intuitive Type," or your analysis of INFJs, INTJs, ENFJs, and ENTJs?I don't say that in a derogatory way, but Ni seems to be moreso than Fi the secret ingredient that makes people 'still waters run deep' -- like you can seem so calm on the surface but there's massive stuff going on underneath the surface.
That means that we are using Fi more than Ne. In the absence of external stimuli, many ENFPs look within themselves and cultivate their Fi. How long that lasts or what gets us out varies too much for me to answer. What causes us to withdraw into ourselves, however, is often depression (emotional or physical), low self-esteem, general unhappiness, or too much people contact.