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    I appreciate the tag. Currently, I'm exploring other frameworks/models through which to view life and I'm not inclined to take the time to switch back to differentiate what patterns form Fe from the general patterns of my life. Typology is an interesting model, but I don't feel that I had a firm grasp on all of the differences between functions so much as I had an overall feel for certain types, so others may be better sources for you at this time. I wish you luck on your quest for information.
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    Keep in mind that Fe judgement is objective while Fi is subjective. In legal case, judge seeks justice, and tries to arrive at a verdict, by collecting evidences and hearing witnesses. Regardless what a subject might think or feel, in the end it is the Evidences and witnesses that will be used as a basis of a verdict and they are usually sensory sensatible facts: fingerprint, document,etc, which are perceivable by the five senses and a verdict is a kind of a judgement whether the defendant is guilty or not with sentence that follows.
    As far as I know, Judge duty of the trial is limited only until to arrive at verdict based on evidence collected and presented in the trial, but the real execution is undertaken not by the judge on his /her own, so Judge doesn't get himself/herself involved in the actual execution of the sentence he/she verdicts. For example, A judge that sentenced to death a murderer by hanging won't be executing the hanging by herself/himself. Since then, typologically, Judge is more naturally performed by Si primary and Fe auxiliary (ISFJ). Si is their primary, since in a trial, they are collecting a lot of past sensory informations (si)to arrive at a verdict (fe), but not executing the sentence themselves.
    Remember that it is Si functions is more natural psychological function as in the trial the character of factual sensory information is past sensory information which is any information when the legal case happened,e.g a murder trial held for a murder event that happened one month ago, not Se as at the moment sensory information, like just imagine a murder was happening now in the court, what would be the device being used to kill, who was going to kill, who was the victim, how the murderer was using the device, etc.
    Fe naturally feel someone is guilty also and it is the they strive to achieve in a trial. Even without becoming a judge, it is Fe type who frequently naturally blames others, anyway. I would like to say that verdict is psychologically a guilt feeling judgement institutionalized and formalized and further followed up by legal punishment to the defendant verdicted to be guilty and SiFe type will satisfyingly express their blaming habit and their guilt feeling judgement to an institutionalized legal practice.
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    I think of Fe as my "parent" function. It only steps in when it's needed. Ni is my hero and it's my lead. I live in my visions and Ti is the child who worships the hero. So, long as things are going well, Fe is like that parent at the window, watching the child outside at play but if a big bad dog threatens the child then the parent steps out to save the tot. In the same way, Ni is positive and Ti is positive. Fe is pessimistic and sees social "pitfalls;" it only steps into the arena when it sees that the values or well-being of others (or of the Ti child) are being violated in some way. Fe is also a vehicle for delivery. Ni sees the course and devises the destination, Fe guides and considers the values of those being affected, Ti analyzes and refines the steps (it's like the internal editor of the plot) and Se delivers an experience to others.
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    It's like a creepy claw coming out of the fog to steal your ice-cream.

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    Fe is underated . Yesterday i gave chocolates to a homeless who asked me for money .
    There was no reason or philosophy behind that.

    Pd: i guess my fe is so low ... It's almost pure xD .

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    There are internal and external manifestations of each function, whether introverted or extroverted.

    For me, the internal manifestation of Fe is primarily explaining something to someone in my head (imagined interaction). Usually this is a specific person although may be a generalised audience.

    The Fe is the interaction between myself and the other person. Primarily it is me talking. I am attempting to change their viewpoint, which is Fe infused with Ni. (that might sound bad, but Pi+Je in general is largely about changing the external world according to your own understanding). So I am speaking in a way specific to that person - taking into account their personality, knowledge etc. It is an internalised representation of the objective (the social field).

    Of course there is also the external manifestation which I may write about later.

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    In the externalised version... Fe is most obvious when it is concerned with direct social interactions. Fe picks up on the emotional exchange in the social environment, and combined with Ni provides for an "intuitive" grasp of what is occurring and what it means. It can be used for monitoring and listening, and also for speaking and swaying the external dynamics in an actively empathetic manner.

    When away from people, Fe is still running. This may sound counter-intuitive, but I think FJs would actually be quite good with money, because Fe assesses the value of an item. Yes, the word "value" does, I think, apply to monetary value as well as moral values. So Fe compares things, noting which is worth more. Left to its own, selling an item worth $5 for $10 sounds good to Fe, but the item may have sentimental value to Fi ("That MEANS something to me! I LIKE it!") so Fe needs to take Fi into account, too.

    Fe acts in a way as if people were involved, even if they're not there. Take a messy desk for example. While Te would say "this lacks order", Fe would say "this is unsatisfactory in the eyes of others", unless the others that the FJ knows happen to be messy as well. When involved in a task, Fe asks "is what I'm doing important to people?" and chooses its tasks accordingly.

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    There's something even more fundamental about the way that Fe is... something that is with me but which I can't articulate right now, and maybe I will be able to do so later.

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    Another aspect of Fe: Fe is doing what you feel like doing.

    I'll given an example, that demonstrates Fe as well as INFJ cognition in general, that happened not long ago...

    So, Ni is about furthering understanding. Ni says "I've been trying to understand existence for a while now, and I need something that will take my understanding to the next level."

    So, I figure, alcohol, due to its mind altering properties, could put me into a state of mind where I can see higher truths. So, I feel like getting a drink. That's Fe. I go to the fridge, get out the alcohol, and pour myself a drink. The Ni agenda has prompted me to want to take a certain action to accomplish a goal, but it feels as though it's "on a whim", although at the same time it's structured.

    So I get the drink. To finish the task I just have to drink it. But wait! Drinking the drink involves adapting one's body to the incoming drink. Fe can't accomplish it alone, because the effects have to be dealt with. It takes Se to register the drink, and also requires Ti. So with Ti I bring myself to equilbrium. I enter a state of calm where the drink won't effect me much. I maintain this until I'm reading to drink the drink and then *gulp* I drink it, taking in the flavours and keeping my intoxicated body in alignment so that an *Fe judged -bad-* situation doesn't result.

    And that's my guide to "drinking while drunk" for INFJs. TYVM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Another aspect of Fe: Fe is doing what you feel like doing.
    In my drunken state I didn't articulate this very well. "Doing what you feel like" probably isn't a very good way to describe Fe. A better way would be along the lines of "feeling your way through life", "getting a feel for something", "feeling it out", although that description isn't perfect either.

    For an example, take socialising. Yes socialising can be done in a mechanical, rule-based, cut and dried manner, but that's not the Fe way. Fe feels it out, adjusting to the other person in terms of how they're expressing what they're expressing. That approach works well with people, and many other living beings, and Fe is known for contributing a lot to social skills, but it doesn't always work so well. For example the articulation involved with writing a computer program has a logically exact syntax, so Fe can't just feel its way to the correct expression (although it could be part of such a process when combined with a Thinking function), and many other things have a "do it the way that works" aspect to them where Te would handle the function better. Still though, there are many non-social domains where Fe can be used well. Musical composition for instance.

    So for an INFJ... Ni provides the vision of where to go and how things are on a "deep" level, and Fe is drawing from that to put things into action by feeling out the correct way to go about things. It expresses the vision, and takes action based on it, in a way that consists of an organic flow rather than a mechanical execution. Then that moves into Ti, then Se, and crosses the conscious/unconscious boundary into Ne, and so on.

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