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    I dont read the bible, and i have lots of issues with religion and such, i cant worship for one. But i was introduced to corinthians 13 in another post. I know the most famous part of it, but after reading i dont think that the most important art was remembered. The last line.

    Here is the famous quote taken from it which is good.
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
    But out of everything i see on a daily basis with religion they forget the most important part. The last line.

    And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
    I see alot of love is destroyed due to faith and hope.

    Which leads us back to the beginning which supports it.
    If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
    What i read is that no matter what i learn either through science or bible, it is nothing if i dont have love. This not only applies to atheism...it applies to the teachings of the bible as well as it tends to create judgements outside of love, that destroys love. It says...i dont care what you know, believe, have faith in or hope. Love is what should come first, because without it nothing else matters.
    Im out, its been fun
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    Most of the people I actually know in positions of authority confirm the worst suspicions of my adolescent anarchist self.

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    I feel so tired and lazy today
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    So, i am starting at beginning of corinthians and this is hilarous.

    Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[d]
    So...riddle me this...in this day and age who would god stand behind

    I may start a seperate thread, but i am starting to think that "bible study" is nothing more then "human knowledge". The same as aethiesm is "human knowledge"
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    I often feel a little sad when I hear about how many species have gone extinct likely due to humans behavior. It makes me even more sad and annoyed though, when people respond to this information by going on about how evil humans are, how we are a pure destructive force and should be exterminated for our crimes....no. Much of those extinctions are probably either accidental or due to ignorance: we know better now and we're at least aware enough to try to mitigate it - that's not so bad. We're animals, as much a part of nature: creatures dying out thanks to whoever's at the top of the food chain is pretty normal, we just like biodiversity and life so we freak out when we realize how much destruction we've caused (to be fair...we create too. We usually make new things out of the resources we take. Sadly, some of those are quite harmful).

    Plus, mass extinctions have been happening for years. Something like 99% of species that ever lived have gone extinct, long before we ever existed. So keep your misanthropy to yourself. We're not evil, but we're no angels either. We're just dumb.

    Or perhaps I can't bear the thought that we are - that I am - evil for simply existing.


    EDIT: Okay, I'm going to admit these likes are validating. I sometimes feel like I'm the only apologist when it comes to these things, while everyone else is sufficiently detached and sensitive to condemn the rest of the species.
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    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

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    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellmold View Post
    Wow. That's intense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaumaturgicTheorist View Post
    Wow. That's intense.
    Don't worry. Eventually we all turn and run.

    PS: Week is up @Nixie.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellmold View Post
    Don't worry. Eventually we all turn and run.
    ?? So...it's not bad, I assume? I always end up ashamed of myself when I "run". Feels like there are plenty of others who sit and stare all the time and never run.

    Also, I was a bit more fascinated by the character's thoughts of "I'm in control of my mind, I'm not crazy like that". Knowing that isn't quite so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaumaturgicTheorist View Post
    ?? So...it's not bad, I assume? I always end up ashamed of myself when I "run". Feels like there are plenty of others who sit and stare all the time and never run.

    Also, I was a bit more fascinated by the character's thoughts of "I'm in control of my mind, I'm not crazy like that". Knowing that isn't quite so...
    It's from a video game called The Stanley Parable exploring......well if that moment was interesting to you, to play it would be best. Or else I'll give some meandering post about choices, illusions, questions of reality (and in this except assumptions about reality) and existential stuff, which would just be highly inadequate and kinda pretentious in a superficial way.

    I say we all run because the length of the staring isn't as important as what you take away from it. And we run because the attention can only hold on certain elements for so long before we distract ourselves with something else.

    Personally I think your reaction to this demonstrates a more open and considered approach than my own, so you aren't the only one who is ashamed....I'm more like Mariella.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.

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