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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Fromm felt that all religion had universal psychological elements which could be deconstructed, he felt a common thread of humanism could be found in them all, either human needs or human traits personified and projected, even the brutal/anti-human elements were "humanistic" in a "human, all too human" way and he was found of quoting things like "nothing human should be foreign/strange to me".

    Specifically he felt that all religions had two aspects, one, an object of devotion, not necessarily theistic or deistic, two, a frame of orientation/reference towards life, the world and everything, comprising ethics and more.

    That sort of anthropological or sociological definition can apply broadly to most things, the only people who tend to reject it are those who have real baggage about religion, whether they are theistic or not.
    I think that for something to be considered a religion, it needs to include the belief in supernatural elements. It needn't be a god (or gods) but there needs to be belief in at least one supernatural force of some sort. If it doesn't include it, I don't see how it could rightly be called a religion. That kind of definition would be much too broad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olm the Water King View Post
    P.S.: Just in case you're wondering, I'm a 6 on the Dawkins scale.

    I had never heard of this before. Interesting.

    I'm probably a 2.5 on the scale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    I had never heard of this before. Interesting.

    I'm probably a 2.5 on the scale.
    The 7 point bipolar spread is called a Likert scale.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likert_scale

    May I presume you haven't read The God Delusion? He discusses that scale in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olm the Water King View Post
    I think that for something to be considered a religion, it needs to include the belief in supernatural elements. It needn't be a god (or gods) but there needs to be belief in at least one supernatural force of some sort. If it doesn't include it, I don't see how it could rightly be called a religion. That kind of definition would be much too broad.

    P.S.: Just in case you're wondering, I'm a 6 on the Dawkins scale.

    I'm a 6 as well. You only need 2 things to qualify as a religion; ritualistic practices & a hypothesis on the origin of the universe/life.

    If you ever 'discuss' whether or not 'atheism' is a religion with someone you'll quickly find yourself consulting the dictionary and arriving at the conclusion that atheism is not a religion.

    3's & 4's are usually the ones who assert that, in my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankyMcFly View Post
    The 7 point bipolar spread is called a Likert scale.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likert_scale

    May I presume you haven't read The God Delusion? He discusses that scale in it.
    Yeah, I haven't read anything by Richard Dawkins, because I try to avoid being condescended to in my spare time. Same reason why I haven't seen "Religulous".
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankyMcFly View Post
    If you ever 'discuss' whether or not 'atheism' is a religion with someone you'll quickly find yourself consulting the dictionary and arriving at the conclusion that atheism is not a religion.

    3's & 4's are usually the ones who assert that, in my experience.
    That's quite overthought. Saying this, I think I'm 4 in the scale


    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Yeah, I haven't read anything by Richard Dawkins, because I try to avoid being condescended to in my spare time. Same reason why I haven't seen "Religulous".
    I didn't like "Religulous". There was some truth, but the tone was inappropriate and offensive.


    I haven't read "The God Delusion" yet. Heard very various opinions about it ...
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    My daughter will get her first MMR vaccination on monday on the occasion of a routine checkup. Reading up on the vaccine beforehand has only made me madder at anti-vaxxers than I felt before!

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    Meh , the MMR is one of the least important vaccines imo because the diseases it prevents don't really have a high mortality rate. Also, it has been implicated in many disorders, including seizure disorders.
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