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    I cant find a leather bound popular edition of Theory of Moral Sentiments on Amazon, I wonder were else I could look.

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    why ANY religious debate is still allowed/endorsed on the forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
    why ANY religious debate is still allowed/endorsed on the forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
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    I think that's true.

    I mention it a lot but Erich Fromm, while he had a pretty broad definition of it himself, suggested that every individual lived a private religion and if you wanted to know them, have them benefit from therapy or motivate them or anything else, then you had to discover what it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I think that's true.

    I mention it a lot but Erich Fromm, while he had a pretty broad definition of it himself, suggested that every individual lived a private religion and if you wanted to know them, have them benefit from therapy or motivate them or anything else, then you had to discover what it was.
    That would have to be a VERY broad definition indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olm the Water King View Post
    That would have to be a VERY broad definition indeed.
    Fromm felt that all religion had universal psychological elements which could be deconstructed, he felt a common thread of humanism could be found in them all, either human needs or human traits personified and projected, even the brutal/anti-human elements were "humanistic" in a "human, all too human" way and he was found of quoting things like "nothing human should be foreign/strange to me".

    Specifically he felt that all religions had two aspects, one, an object of devotion, not necessarily theistic or deistic, two, a frame of orientation/reference towards life, the world and everything, comprising ethics and more.

    That sort of anthropological or sociological definition can apply broadly to most things, the only people who tend to reject it are those who have real baggage about religion, whether they are theistic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Fromm felt that all religion had universal psychological elements which could be deconstructed, he felt a common thread of humanism could be found in them all, either human needs or human traits personified and projected, even the brutal/anti-human elements were "humanistic" in a "human, all too human" way and he was found of quoting things like "nothing human should be foreign/strange to me".

    Specifically he felt that all religions had two aspects, one, an object of devotion, not necessarily theistic or deistic, two, a frame of orientation/reference towards life, the world and everything, comprising ethics and more.

    That sort of anthropological or sociological definition can apply broadly to most things, the only people who tend to reject it are those who have real baggage about religion, whether they are theistic or not.
    I like this. I can see it rubbing people the wrong way, though. Especially if they prefer to have definitive definitions of things rather than open-ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I like this. I can see it rubbing people the wrong way, though. Especially if they prefer to have definitive definitions of things rather than open-ended.
    What people do you see it rubbing the wrong way?

    Fromm used to talk about humanists, non-theist and theist, and about humanistic religion, it could all be a reinvention of oversimplified "good vs bad" labelling but you know, I think it works and is more than simply that.

    In his day Fromm was as annoyed with atheists and anti-religious types as he was about the alternative, perhaps it was the times, he definitely tried hard to create or support movements in China and Russia which opposed the state atheism and tired to get the Pope and other world religious leaders to work together to pressurise governments to scale back armaments programmes, military-industrialism, the cold war.

    In his last years he was supposed to have become pretty despondent and thought mankind was going to annihilate itself with nuclear war, mind you, I think Bertrand Russell thought the same thing and I remember the UK in the eighties being a bit like that, with that pervasive idea, it really was a seriously grim dark period if you watch the popular TV shows from the time, Threads, When The Wind Blows etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    What people do you see it rubbing the wrong way?
    Strict atheists and theists, I guess. It's too much of a middle way.
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