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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    You say you want to open this forum up so people discuss ideas, but routinely bash people who seem too "egoistic" about it. Nobody will want to discuss ideas in such a climate. If you truly want people to discuss ideas, Spinoza is a good person to emulate. Heidegger seems like a terrible person to emulate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    Even though Spinoza can be readily account for as an INFJ, function-wise Heidegger may already capture @Evee with his Fi-Ne-Si-Te, sharing all functions in common.

    Lol, that was my lame personality type explanation.

    Now my other is that Spinoza has made this theory that all attributes to one substance (resembles Ni), he's from an older time period when Descartes a rationalist was having debates with Locke, an empiricist. He was more focused on what was metaphysics. So they were on a different issue really than what Heidegger is more into Phenomenology, exploring the science of consciousness being a direct student of Husserl. Yeah Heidegger was a Nazi, but it doesn't seem like even to us modern readers, that being a Nazi was part of his core philosophy. Ne types are also more primarily attached to the philosophy being separate from the self, where as Ni uses the philosopher and his own subjective views as part of the philosophy.

    I would also believe Evee has a stronger desire to learn more about phenomenology than metaphysics, being that he is a feeling type more interested in experience than with objectivity.

    But that's just my two cents.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    Even though Spinoza can be readily account for as an INFJ, function-wise Heidegger may already capture Evee with his Fi-Ne-Si-Te, sharing all functions in common.

    Lol, that was my lame personality type explanation.

    Now my other is that Spinoza has made this theory that all attributes to one substance (resembles Ni), he's from an older time period when Descartes a rationalist was having debates with Locke, an empiricist. He was more focused on what was metaphysics. So they were on a different issue really than what Heidegger is more into Phenomenology, exploring the science of consciousness being a direct student of Husserl. Yeah Heidegger was a Nazi, but it doesn't seem like even to us modern readers, that being a Nazi was part of his core philosophy. Ne types are also more primarily attached to the philosophy being separate from the self, where as Ni uses the philosopher and his own subjective views as part of the philosophy.

    I would also believe Evee has a stronger desire to learn more about phenomenology than metaphysics, being that he is a feeling type more interested in experience than with objectivity.

    But that's just my two cents.

    Spinoza had complicated metaphysics that I don't really grasp. I admire him more because I think he showed great intellectual courage. I think he anticipated certain things and was ahead of his time in many ways.

    Heidegger's philosophy sounds like it's all about the joys of being totally absorbed in the community, and giving up everything. Political ramifications of that aside, I tried that multiple times, and it did not work for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcan View Post
    Spinoza had complicated metaphysics that I don't really grasp. I admire him more because I think he showed great intellectual courage.
    Spinoza and many of the earlier philosophers along with Kant showed more of admirable "morality" (well many of you may contend) than Schopenhauer has (although he's funny and his incredibly amazing philosophy who inspired Nietzsche to do his own, but Schopenhauer's was way better.) Now I'm going off on a tangent, so it's like I can understand both of your perspectives. But what do I know?
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    @Forever

    You are awesome. You should share more like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    Spinoza and many of the earlier philosophers along with Kant showed more of admirable "morality" (well many of you may contend) than Schopenhauer has (although he's funny and his incredibly amazing philosophy who inspired Nietzsche to do his own, but Schopenhauer's was way better.) Now I'm going off on a tangent, so it's like I can understand both of your perspectives. But what do I know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evee View Post
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    You are awesome. You should share more like that.
    Gladly, now that I am more well known on the forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    Gladly, now that I more well known on the forum.
    I appreciate your open mindedness and rationality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evee View Post
    I appreciate your open mindedness and rationality.
    Thank you. My Ni and Ti are very close to each other now, that is whenever I do get an intuition though, I at least have one source taken from sub/unconscious to readily attach to, understanding my biases as well as I state them. Hence it is why I am moved to explain myself always, which will keep the mods and INTJ's generally happy.
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