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    I just wanted to point out that I am an INFp-IEI(Ni) and I relate to nearly everything that was written in this thread. I think you are pointing many introverted and intuition (Ni or Ne) traits than anything else. You should keep in mind that Ni alone is very analytical and rational which may blur everything a little bit more. I think that Ne, too, is at some extent a rational function but certainly not as Ni.
    The creator of the thread seems to be indecisive about ILI or LII, therefore I think he should focus more on the way the dominant and auxiliary functions work together and what fits him the best, his case being Ni-Te or Ti-Ne. The traits you've listed are easily shared among both types, and others as well, just like the LIE above and, in my case, IEI. Other thing that may help is understanding the 3rd function, Si or Fi. It's also important to point out that even if you are an ILI, you may find yourself relating more to Ti than Te because, after all, you are an introverted.That's why you should see how Te interacts with Ni, but if your Ti is clearly much stronger then you may be an LII and should see how the Ti-Ne dynamics work.

    Some aspects I think you should ask yourself:
    Are you more focused on one task and driven to complete it or are you more inclined to many hobbies without much application?
    How is your thought process?
    Do you have a set of values/beliefs that you consider of ultimate truth or are more open-minded to many different viewpoints?
    How stubborn can you be you're confronted about something you are sure of?
    How is your temper?
    For me, those things can separate ILIs and LIIs apart. LII is more of an analyst and principles seeker, ILI is a hardcore critic which a bit of know-it-all aspects.
    This may also be of some help, if you haven't tried it already: Socionics Personality Types Comparison:

    While i'm not on gamma quadra, I don't think I've ever been a child, when I was a kid I was more of an adult locked in a children's body, so I don't see much problem with @DestroyTheSpineless researching socionics at the age of 16. I started at 15 and at that time I was more mature than most of the mid-twenties of this forum.

    And yes I agree with one of thing OP said in this thread: don't obsess much about it. The main purpose of Socionics or any other type system is self-knowledge, if you are getting stressed out because of it, it may not be worth it. And giving my opinion in all of this, your obsession with finding your type and how you even tried to create your on method to type yourself, the way you got defensive when questioned early on this thread as well seems a bit ILI to me. Your obstination in finding your type also resembles of the self described ILI of this thread saying he/she tries to implement his/her own methods to sort things out and seek purpose on everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shpotva View Post
    Are you more focused on one task and driven to complete it or are you more inclined to many hobbies without much application?
    How is your thought process?
    Do you have a set of values/beliefs that you consider of ultimate truth or are more open-minded to many different viewpoints?
    How stubborn can you be you're confronted about something you are sure of?
    How is your temper?
    First of all, thank you for your insightful response.
    I've been researching a lot these days, because I want to consider ALL the facts to make my final decision. And even if I've gathered lots of resources, I could still be skeptical about my own conclusion, that's why I need also others' opinions to get an accurate result.

    Let's say that, at first, I'm focused on achieving/doing something. I can even make plans for it. But if I have little interest in the task (this is not the case for Socionics), I might decide just to give up and doing something else. This is the main reason why, most of the times, I end up sitting on my bed for hours playing the bass, in a lazy and slack manner. It's true that slackness/laziness is my natural state, but in that case it's even more emphasized.
    Example: "Alright, today I want to compose a new piece of music." I start the activity, do it for 5/10 minutes, but then I say "why am I even doing this?" and give it up. It happens also with homework. I don't know but I think it could be a sign of Irrationality. On the other hand, if the task interests me (yes, Socionics is the case), I may become obsessive and spend days thinking about it. This instead might be a Decisive sign.

    If you ask me about my thought process, the only thing I can say is: "I really don't know.". What I'm sure about is that I spend loads of time in my head. Sometimes I think about something (past/future, analyzing random music, reflecting on weird things), other times I don't even realize that I'm thinking. My attitude is detached because of this. One thing though: although I live in my head, when it comes to do some activity, I'm easily mobilized and I don't lack concentration. I prefer to spend less time on tasks, but I try to give all I have in that little time. I'm focused. This can explain why I always finish class tests early. This is especially important true talking about homework. Because I never lose concentration, I can make it in a little. And since it's a duty, I would feel guilty if I'd not complete it, so I give my best. But I never end up studying late at night.

    My first value is honesty. You have to say the truth. In any case. It does not matter. Also, I give people a lot of freedom and I want them to treat me in the same way. I always try to weight all the facts to make a decision, so I get REALLY angry if someone defines me as "unfair". I think it's useless to say that I am completely open-minded about homosexuality and things like that. It's not that I "accept" it. It's completely normal and I don't see why to criticize it.

    You asked me if I'm stubborn. Yes, I am stubborn. Mainly about anything. Because I am so skeptical of other people's ideas, I always consider mine "more accurate", since I know how I processed it. Even my teachers define me "stubborn" and "intransigent". I don't want anybody to contrast my opinion. If so, I'd become defensive and I'll try any effective method to burn out argumentations against my idea. I know it's not the greatest quality I possess. But at least I'm being honest with myself.

    My temper is usually relaxed, phlegmatic. At times some of my "more anxious" friends are envious of this attitude. I'm just good at calm people down. It's true that my natural state is calm, but if someone invades my space (usually showing too much Fe) I can aggressively reject their intention and then instantly switch again to my slackness.

    I hope that I wrote some relevant information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DestroyTheSpineless View Post
    First of all, thank you for your insightful response.
    I've been researching a lot these days, because I want to consider ALL the facts to make my final decision. And even if I've gathered lots of resources, I could still be skeptical about my own conclusion, that's why I need also others' opinions to get an accurate result.

    Let's say that, at first, I'm focused on achieving/doing something. I can even make plans for it. But if I have little interest in the task (this is not the case for Socionics), I might decide just to give up and doing something else. This is the main reason why, most of the times, I end up sitting on my bed for hours playing the bass, in a lazy and slack manner. It's true that slackness/laziness is my natural state, but in that case it's even more emphasized.
    Example: "Alright, today I want to compose a new piece of music." I start the activity, do it for 5/10 minutes, but then I say "why am I even doing this?" and give it up. It happens also with homework. I don't know but I think it could be a sign of Irrationality. On the other hand, if the task interests me (yes, Socionics is the case), I may become obsessive and spend days thinking about it. This instead might be a Decisive sign.

    If you ask me about my thought process, the only thing I can say is: "I really don't know.". What I'm sure about is that I spend loads of time in my head. Sometimes I think about something (past/future, analyzing random music, reflecting on weird things), other times I don't even realize that I'm thinking. My attitude is detached because of this. One thing though: although I live in my head, when it comes to do some activity, I'm easily mobilized and I don't lack concentration. I prefer to spend less time on tasks, but I try to give all I have in that little time. I'm focused. This can explain why I always finish class tests early. This is especially important true talking about homework. Because I never lose concentration, I can make it in a little. And since it's a duty, I would feel guilty if I'd not complete it, so I give my best. But I never end up studying late at night.

    My first value is honesty. You have to say the truth. In any case. It does not matter. Also, I give people a lot of freedom and I want them to treat me in the same way. I always try to weight all the facts to make a decision, so I get REALLY angry if someone defines me as "unfair". I think it's useless to say that I am completely open-minded about homosexuality and things like that. It's not that I "accept" it. It's completely normal and I don't see why to criticize it.

    You asked me if I'm stubborn. Yes, I am stubborn. Mainly about anything. Because I am so skeptical of other people's ideas, I always consider mine "more accurate", since I know how I processed it. Even my teachers define me "stubborn" and "intransigent". I don't want anybody to contrast my opinion. If so, I'd become defensive and I'll try any effective method to burn out argumentations against my idea. I know it's not the greatest quality I possess. But at least I'm being honest with myself.

    My temper is usually relaxed, phlegmatic. At times some of my "more anxious" friends are envious of this attitude. I'm just good at calm people down. It's true that my natural state is calm, but if someone invades my space (usually showing too much Fe) I can aggressively reject their intention and then instantly switch again to my slackness.

    I hope that I wrote some relevant information.
    It did, what you described seemed a lot like an ILI to me.
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    @shpotva: Thanks again. Yes, I think I'm more ILI than LII. It's strange, because I usually test as LII and on the SOLTI-160 I always have a slight preference towards Rational and Static as well. As I've already written, my strongest function is Ti, which, in case I'm an ILI, would be my demonstrative function. So, my question is, what happens when your demonstrative is so strong? Also, this would type me as an ILI-Te, with stronger contact functions (Te, Si, Se, Ti). But I don't relate much to its description (sociable, elegant and engaged in business). I relate more to the ILI-Ni. The problem is that the latter is completely Irrational (Irrational type + Irrational subtype), while I have some Rational traits. Do you think I can be an ILI-Ni even if with a more Rational tendency? Also, I think that my Fi (Hidden Agenda) is very clear, and since it's stronger in the Inert subtype, it could be possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DestroyTheSpineless View Post
    @shpotva: Thanks again. Yes, I think I'm more ILI than LII. It's strange, because I usually test as LII and on the SOLTI-160 I always have a slight preference towards Rational and Static as well. As I've already written, my strongest function is Ti, which, in case I'm an ILI, would be my demonstrative function. So, my question is, what happens when your demonstrative is so strong? Also, this would type me as an ILI-Te, with stronger contact functions (Te, Si, Se, Ti). But I don't relate much to its description (sociable, elegant and engaged in business). I relate more to the ILI-Ni. The problem is that the latter is completely Irrational (Irrational type + Irrational subtype), while I have some Rational traits. Do you think I can be an ILI-Ni even if with a more Rational tendency? Also, I think that my Fi (Hidden Agenda) is very clear, and since it's stronger in the Inert subype, it could be possible.
    I think yes, you could easily be an ILI. As I mentioned in my original post, Ni is a very rational function in nature, which can make things a bit confuse. I'm an IEI-Ni and I'm much more rational than it would be expect me to be, but that's mainly because I rely heavily on my Ni. So don't be surprised if you think you spend too much time inside your head thinking and relating that to Ti, it's actually your Ni doing that. What turns that introspection into reality is your Te. When you do charts, graphics and the like, it's your Te making sense of your Ni process of thought.
    The SOLTI-160 is an english adaptation of the Talanov test, which is in russian, and if you can read russian with some level of proficiency, I highly recommend you to do the test, it's 700 questions long and much more accurate (there are short versions, though, one with 500 and other with 300). Many questions in the SOLTI were quite lost in translation. Still, it's the best socionics test out there in english. I did both the Talanov and the SOLTI (the later for recreational purposes). I was typed as an ILI in SOLTI, which is clearly not my case. Unfortunately, we have few resources about this system in any language other than russian. When researching about the types, I highly recommend you to go first on sociotype and then on wikisocion, 16personalities has many flaws and I would recommend you to avoid it unless it is the only place you can find an explanation for something you are searching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shpotva View Post
    The SOLTI-160 is an english adaptation of the Talanov test, which is in russian, and if you can read russian with some level of proficiency, I highly recommend you to do the test, it's 700 questions long and much more accurate (there are short versions, though, one with 500 and other with 300). Many questions in the SOLTI were quite lost in translation. Still, it's the best socionics test out there in english.
    I can't read russian, but I'm using Google Translate and it seem to work quite well. By the way, I wasn't able to find anything longer than the SOLTI-160. The SOLTI-330 is down. I downloaded a 40-questions test on excel. It was so interisting to see how each question correlates to the 8 IEs and the 16 TIMs. Can you perhaps tell me how you took the long test? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DestroyTheSpineless View Post
    I can't read russian, but I'm using Google Translate and it seem to work quite well. By the way, I wasn't able to find anything longer than the SOLTI-160. The SOLTI-330 is down. I downloaded a 40-questions test on excel. It was so interisting to see how each question correlates to the 8 IEs and the 16 TIMs. Can you perhaps tell me how you took the long test? Thank you.
    I've took it a while ago on Соционика.инфо
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    Is anyone able to say whether I am static or dynamic based on some line of text? If so, what should I write about?

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    LII-Ne 5w6 so/sp looks right.

    Hi, I'm new to this forum. I've been into Socionics for one year, but I still can't figure out my type. Could you help me deciding between ILI and LII? Thanks in advance.

    Tell me about yourself.
    I’m Alex, 16 years old and I’m from Italy. Yeah, such a beautiful country.

    What do you study or do for a living? How did you come to do that? What do you like or dislike about it?


    What are your values, and why?


    What else do you do on a daily basis? What are your interests and hobbies? Why do you do them?

    Describe your relations with family and friends. What do you like and dislike about them?


    What do you look for in friends? In romantic relationships?


    What conflicts have you encountered recently with other people? Why did they happen? Which kinds seem to happen on a regular basis?


    How would your friends describe you?

    What do people generally see as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?


    What are your weaknesses? What criticism do you often face from others? What do you dislike about yourself?

    In what areas of life can you manage well on your own? In what areas of your life would you like help?

    What things do you find to be a chore? What things do you enjoy more than others?

    What goals, aspirations, or plans do you have for the future? How did you come to have them?


    If you had enough money to live comfortably for the rest of your life without working, what would you do with your time?


    What kinds of things do you do to manage and/or beautify your environment (your room, your house, etc.)? What do you think of daily chores?

    How do you behave around strangers?


    How do you react to conflict? What do you do if somebody insults or attacks you?


    What is one common misconception that people have? Explain why it is wrong.


    What did you do last Friday?


    Who do you admire, and why?

    What are your religious or spiritual beliefs and why do you hold them?

    What are your political beliefs, and why? To what extent do you care about politics?


    What kind of work environment do you prefer? What do you look for in a job?


    What is or was your favorite school subject and why?


    How do you approach responsibility? What do you tend to expect of others?

    If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?


    What is the purpose of life? What do you find personally meaningful in life?


    That's hotelambush's questionnaire. Hotelambush is an EII-Fi like Maritsa/Beautiful Sky, so not surprisingly, the questionnaire assumes good Fi on the part of the user. Thus, LIIs try harder to be responsive to questions that call for Fi. In contrast, ILIs typically show some antagonism towards this questionnaire, attack the intelligence or assumptions behind it, and/or express reservation in their answers....not the takeaway I get from the OP's responses. Fi Role > Fi Mobilizing
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