# Thread: Socionics thought puzzle

1. ## Socionics thought puzzle

The so-called asymmetrical relations, where one partner awlays seems to be in a favorable postion with respect to another, are ones where not only one partner's relation is different to the others( you are the benefactor or your beneficiary, not the other way around[whereas in a symmetrical relation such as duality you are your dual's dual and they are your dual back]), but also where your relations to with the other types are different with respect to theirs'. For instance, in a symmetrical relation like duality, you are not only your dual's dual you are also quasi-identical of their conflctor and they are the quasi-identical of your conflictor. But in aysmmetrical relations, for instance benefit, you have an SEE and an EIE. SEE is beneficiary to EIE, and conflictor to LII. LII is EIE's semi-dual, and SEE's semi-dual, IEI is mirror to EIE. Similarly, EIE is conflictor to SLI, SLI is the illusionary of SEE, who is the mirror to ESI.

Confused yet? Well heres the kicker: EIE is benefactor to SEE, SEE is beneficiary to EIE. LSI is EIE's dual, who is ILI's benefactor. ILI happens to be SEE's dual! Considered what we said before, about SEE and EIE having different relations to their different relations' types, how is possible their duals have the same relation to each other they do!?

2. Originally Posted by Typh0n
The so-called asymmetrical relations, where one partner awlays seems to be in a favorable postion with respect to another, are ones where not only one partner's relation is different to the others( you are the benefactor or your beneficiary, not the other way around[whereas in a symmetrical relation such as duality you are your dual's dual and they are your dual back]), but also where your relations to with the other types are different with respect to theirs'. For instance, in a symmetrical relation like duality, you are not only your dual's dual you are also quasi-identical of their conflctor and they are the quasi-identical of your conflictor. But in aysmmetrical relations, for instance benefit, you have an SEE and an EIE. SEE is beneficiary to EIE, and conflictor to LII. LII is EIE's semi-dual, and SEE's semi-dual, IEI is mirror to EIE. Similarly, EIE is conflictor to SLI, SLI is the illusionary of SEE, who is the mirror to ESI.

Confused yet? Well heres the kicker: EIE is benefactor to SEE, SEE is beneficiary to EIE. LSI is EIE's dual, who is ILI's benefactor. ILI happens to be SEE's dual! Considered what we said before, about SEE and EIE having different relations to their different relations' types, how is possible their duals have the same relation to each other they do!?
EIE and SEE lie in one ring of benefit, their duals LSI and ILI lie in another. One relation between benefit rings is duality. Look at the other types on these two rings and you'll see this fact borne out.

Benefit - Wikisocion

The other two relations between benefit rings are mirror and activation. Not coincidentally, duality, mirror, activation, and identity are the four relations between quadra members. Each ring of benefit (like each ring of supervision) contains one member from each quadra.

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