User Tag List

First 1234 Last

Results 21 to 30 of 33

  1. #21
    Senior Member KDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    8,263

    Default

    Well, that's what I mean. I don't mind simplicity, generally speaking, but life/personality/people aren't that simple. It's insulting to say that one whole temperment has more ideals, or one's more artistic, or cherishes tradition, or rational.

  2. #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    270

    Default

    Trying to compare the functions of MBTI and socionics will give you a migrane. I consider them completely seperate, and I get a lot less headaches that way.

  3. #23
    Yeah, I can fly. Aleksei's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    7w6 sx/sp
    Socionics
    ILE Ti
    Posts
    3,645

    Default

    I don't really have too much trouble with them. The migraine comes when trying to figure out how in the hell they could be the same functions (solution: they aren't).
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Teacher (Idyllic), ESE-IEI (Si-ESFj), SLue|I|, Sanguine-Melancholy
    Sage, True Neutral (Chaotic Good), Type III Anti-Hero
    Inventive > Artistic > Leisurely > Dramatic
    7w6 > 4w3 > 9w8, weakside sp/so

    Dark Worker (Sacrificing)
    Freewheeling Designer

    Hayekian Asshole


  4. #24
    Senior Member the state i am in's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    MBTI
    infj
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Posts
    2,455

    Default

    which function descriptions don't line up?

    i can see the most confusion with Fi, but if you contrast socionics Fi vs socionics Fe, it's obvious that Fe lines up perfectly with jungian Fi.

    with socionics Fi, there can be confusion about "proper maintenance of social relations" and understanding the social hierarchy. i think the key is that it describes understanding the quality and nature of social relations as well as making moral judgments. i do see Fi doing this (look at the way Fi doms and enfps work so ardently to regulate how individuals should be treated and protecting the various kinds of relationships individuals can have with other individuals and how those relationships should be protected in such an institutionally organized bureacratic world). i see Fi experiencing a much more critical and deliberate reflection about what social relations should be, which is a useful contrastive difference with Fe (focused more purely on expression and persuasion). i think it describes Fi as having a better radar for the actual attitudes of others, which makes sense to me, because it spends more time (when focused on someone else) to imagine the subjective reality of their situation far more than Fe (and really take all of its awareness and learning into a process designed to create emotional truth, or a kind of faith about what's truly important). Fe, by contrast, focuses on how to build a useful and positive social relationship more so than dwelling as deeply on what is and could be true for that person in all its holistic complexity at the level/site of remembered emotionally tagged experiences. instead, nfjs focus far more on imagining the meaningful contexts in a much more linguistic/conceptual way, and then applying those insights via Fe. the source of intelligence is much different. it's constructed out of a different kind of awareness.

  5. #25
    Yeah, I can fly. Aleksei's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    7w6 sx/sp
    Socionics
    ILE Ti
    Posts
    3,645

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    which function descriptions don't line up?
    All of them, except Ti/Te (and even there there's some overlap).
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Teacher (Idyllic), ESE-IEI (Si-ESFj), SLue|I|, Sanguine-Melancholy
    Sage, True Neutral (Chaotic Good), Type III Anti-Hero
    Inventive > Artistic > Leisurely > Dramatic
    7w6 > 4w3 > 9w8, weakside sp/so

    Dark Worker (Sacrificing)
    Freewheeling Designer

    Hayekian Asshole


  6. #26
    Senior Member Synapse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    MBTI
    INFP
    Enneagram
    4
    Socionics
    INFp
    Posts
    3,403

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    INFj's as humanists and INFp's as Lyricist's now?
    ENFj's are the Mentors and ENFp's are the psychologists.

    I suppose, usually still get INFp sometimes INFj.

  7. #27
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    270

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    I've been trying to find this chart forever!

    According to it:

    Same letters: 30%

    One letter switched: 40%
    (e/i: 20%
    n/s: 16%
    f/t: 21%
    p/j: 43%)

    Two letters switched: 23%

    Three letters switched: 7%

    Opposite letters: very rare

  8. #28
    Yeah, I can fly. Aleksei's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    7w6 sx/sp
    Socionics
    ILE Ti
    Posts
    3,645

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    Let's see...

    -ENFJ looks accurate.

    -ENFPs are far, far more likely than that to be IEI (and less likely to be EIE), but ENFP as Beta NF > else is accurate. ENFPs are also more likely than is shown to be SEE/SLE.

    -That kind of incidence for ENTJ as ILI and especially as LII is absurd. It's exceedingly rare for an ENTJ to have such weak Se. It's otherwise accurate.

    -Not enough EIE and definitely not enough IEI for ENTP. Too much ILI. Majority-ILE is correct.

    -Not enough SEE for ESFJ.

    -I have some trouble figuring out how an N-inferior type could fit N-dominant in Socionics, but based on quadra values I can see how ESFP can fit IEE so well. ESE is the actual dominant type for ESFP, however. Nowhere near enough SLE there, either (I actually think SLE is more common for ESFP than SEE).

    -ESTJ is an LIE with an overactive HA, or a Beta ST, not really an LSE. Far too authoritarian to fit Delta values.

    -ESTP as majority-SEE is funny, but I could see it. I think ESE is dominant for ESTP though, followed by SEE and SLE (Supposedly EIE ESTPs are more likely Fe-subtype SLEs).

    -No ESI for INFJ is absurd. ESI is the second most common INFJ type. IEI is perhaps the third or fourth.

    -INFP is roughly correct (though I've found INFPs to be more often H-IEE than EII).

    -INTJ is more likely LSI than SLE.

    -INTP LIE is weird (not impossible, but this common? Naaah), and INTP is actually more liable to be ILE than LII.

    -ISFJ looks roughly accurate, though I think ISFJ EIIs are more likely ESI or SLI. Ne-creative is in direct opposition to Jungian Si-dominance.

    -ISFP is definitely right.

    -ISTJ is certainly LSI.

    -ISTP is likewise certainly SLI > Beta ST, but SLI > LSI is suspect (as is such a strong Delta incidence). I've actually not met a single LSI ISTP IRL. ISTP seems most likely H-SLE.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Teacher (Idyllic), ESE-IEI (Si-ESFj), SLue|I|, Sanguine-Melancholy
    Sage, True Neutral (Chaotic Good), Type III Anti-Hero
    Inventive > Artistic > Leisurely > Dramatic
    7w6 > 4w3 > 9w8, weakside sp/so

    Dark Worker (Sacrificing)
    Freewheeling Designer

    Hayekian Asshole


  9. #29
    i love skylights's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    MBTI
    INFP
    Enneagram
    6w7 so/sx
    Socionics
    EII Ne
    Posts
    7,836

    Default

    geez. going by the functions on wikipedia i'd be Fe/Ti and Ne/Si in socionics. what in the world does that make me? ESFj?


  10. #30
    Yeah, I can fly. Aleksei's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    7w6 sx/sp
    Socionics
    ILE Ti
    Posts
    3,645

    Default

    or ENTp, but from my limited knowledge of you you don't seem Fi-vulnerable (though that's not rare among ENFPs either).

    http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=ESE
    http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=ILE

    And just for good measure, the more common ENFP types:

    http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=IEI
    http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=IEE
    http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=EIE
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Teacher (Idyllic), ESE-IEI (Si-ESFj), SLue|I|, Sanguine-Melancholy
    Sage, True Neutral (Chaotic Good), Type III Anti-Hero
    Inventive > Artistic > Leisurely > Dramatic
    7w6 > 4w3 > 9w8, weakside sp/so

    Dark Worker (Sacrificing)
    Freewheeling Designer

    Hayekian Asshole


Similar Threads

  1. Determining Socionics type from MBTI type
    By Azseroffs in forum Socionics
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 11-05-2012, 09:28 AM
  2. Replies: 22
    Last Post: 02-23-2010, 04:22 PM
  3. figuring out my socionics type from MBTI type
    By psyche in forum Socionics
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 02-16-2010, 10:50 PM
  4. Replies: 18
    Last Post: 05-14-2009, 10:42 AM
  5. Your MBTI type and your Socionics type
    By 527468 in forum Socionics
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 11-28-2008, 04:03 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts