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Socionics vs MBTI

Azseroffs

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I really don't know a lot about socionics, but I was mainly wondering if it is true that Introverts switch The j/p function. In other words, INTP would become INTj while ENTP would stay ENTp in socionics.

What are other key differences between the two assessments?
 

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I really don't a lot about socionics, but I was mainly wondering if it is true that Introverts switch The j/p function. In other words, INTP would become INTj while ENTP would stay ENTp in socionics.

What are other key differences between the two assessments?

Yes and no.

It seems dependant on the individual. Also, basically everything is defined at least slightly differently between the two systems.
 

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I tried to figure it out and all I got was a headache! I know lots of people like socionics, but I am not one of them.

My advice: avoid socionics like the plague, or risk cognitive dissonance.
 

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I tried to figure it out and all I got was a headache! I know lots of people like socionics, but I am not one of them.

My advice: avoid socionics like the plague, or risk cognitive dissonance.

Costrin thinks he managed to figure Socionics out, at least to decent level. Yet Costrin must admit he doesn't particularly like the theory.
 

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No, they don't switch but don't use your MBTI type to work out your Socionics one, they are defined differently as Costrin said so it's best to start with a blank slate. That said they'll prolly be the same.
 

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Socionics was developed completely separate of MBTI, from Jung's theories, in Russia. It was based on observation of married couples, then observation of people in general. The type-relation thing is central to its theory.

Now, the truth is, the types are basically analogous. You don't switch the J/P and that is because Socionics FUNCTIONS themselves mean different things so even though it looks as though if in MBTI you are INFP you would be INFj in Socionics, this is NOT the case. You are an INFp still in Socionics if you're an INFP in MBTI.

Socionics has a lot of validity if you give it a chance, imho.
 

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The answer is quite obvious, if not easy: they are both bullshit in the end
 

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The answer is quite obvious, if not easy: they are both bullshit in the end

makes sense


upon reading the wikipedia entry for socionics I have come to a conclusion:
I will no longer read about socionics :doh:
 

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The answer is quite obvious, if not easy: they are both bullshit in the end

;)


Also, socionics doesn't like the idea of Introverted-Perceivers leading with a Judging function (T or F), so it labels the types differently. Most INTPs in MBTI come out as INTj in Socionics, but that's not because they act like an MBTI INTJ; it's just labeled differently.

Honestly, I'm not an authority on either, but the externalized behavior-labeling systems don't seem that different.
 

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;)


Also, socionics doesn't like the idea of Introverted-Perceivers leading with a Judging function (T or F), so it labels the types differently. Most INTPs in MBTI come out as INTj in Socionics, but that's not because they act like an MBTI INTJ; it's just labeled differently.

Honestly, I'm not an authority on either, but the externalized behavior-labeling systems don't seem that different.

You smile at my idea and then you go on talking in propaganda ? You are a kind of smartass aint you ? :D
 

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Socionics was developed completely separate of MBTI, from Jung's theories, in Russia. It was based on observation of married couples, then observation of people in general. The type-relation thing is central to its theory.

Now, the truth is, the types are basically analogous. You don't switch the J/P and that is because Socionics FUNCTIONS themselves mean different things so even though it looks as though if in MBTI you are INFP you would be INFj in Socionics, this is NOT the case. You are an INFp still in Socionics if you're an INFP in MBTI.

Socionics has a lot of validity if you give it a chance, imho.

Assuming that types are figured out on the same basic level, it doesn't make sense that MBTI INFP is FiNe while socionics INFp is NiFe. Then on top of that ENFP is NeFi while ENFp is also NeFi.

maybe I just have to look into it more?
 

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They're not figured out on the same basic level. The functions are decided differently and have different meanings. But they are fairly analogous. ENTP=ENTp, etc.
 

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You smile at my idea and then you go on talking in propaganda ? You are a kind of smartass aint you ? :D

Oh, it wasn't meant that cynically--just an acknowledgement that while this typology stuff is interesting and seems to have (limited) real life implications, it's all ultimately conjectural and shouldn't be taken that seriously.

Just saying that I identify with your perception here, and then responding to the initial question with that caveat in mind.
 

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Assuming that types are figured out on the same basic level, it doesn't make sense that MBTI INFP is FiNe while socionics INFp is NiFe. Then on top of that ENFP is NeFi while ENFp is also NeFi.

maybe I just have to look into it more?

Don't do it! It's what they want - they lure you in with the promise of an explanation, then Wham!, it's too late - you're trapped forever. :)

It should carry a health warning:

"Danger! Your head will explode if you try to make sense of our theory!"
 

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Oh, it wasn't meant that cynically--just an acknowledgement that while this typology stuff is interesting and seems to have (limited) real life implications, it's all ultimately conjectural and shouldn't be taken that seriously.

Just saying that I identify with your perception here, and then responding to the initial question with that caveat in mind.

Sorry I am drunk. I see things where are noone ;)
 

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Don't do it! It's what they want - they lure you in with the promise of an explanation, then Wham!, it's too late - you're trapped forever. :)

It should carry a health warning:

"Danger! Your head will explode if you try to make sense of our theory!"

it's too late I'm already tearing apart whether I'm INTp or INTj, I tested strong INT, weak p. I read both descriptions and sound a little more INTp (I find it funny that it says many INTps type themselves INTj or INTx).

I'm pretty much accepting INTp... now to figure out how the hell I'm NiTe in socionics..
I'm F--ed:doh:
 
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The worst thing anyone ever did was assign MBTI-like lettering to Socionics types. Way to conflate differing definitions of everything, assholes :doh:

That said, here are a few pretty graphics relating the types by correlation:

The table below represents the result of this experiment:
table3.gif


And the next table represents one more result of this experiment. We asked the participants to indicate their own types, and to recognize their own types in these descriptions:
table4.gif


Do these tables represent the real correlation between the socionic types and the Keirsey types? We think they do not. They rather represent characteristic stereotypes of the socionics and the Keirsey typology. To compare these typologies objectively, we will need to test at least several hundreds of persons using both socionic and American methods. But at least we know now for sure that socionics, MBTT and Keirsey, in spite of their common origin from the Jungian typology, are not identical!

the whole thing is one big :doh: anyway
 
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