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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    One whole Continent free and prosperous is celebrating the Western Enlightenment. We shall sail the brave little ship, the Endeavour, carrying the Enlightenment, all the way around Oz (Australia), remembering the great man of the Enlightenment James Cook.

    And The Endeavour shall pause at our Capital City called Darwin after another great man of the Enlightenment, Charles Darwin.

    And indeed the circle shall be closed as James and Charles stand together.
    The Western Enlightenment was carried to Oz (Australia) by the ascendant British Aristocracy.

    Yes, for one hundred years before the settlement of Oz the aristocracy was ascendant over of course the Royal Sovereign.

    And yes, it was one hundred years of peace.

    And so we inherited the manners and mores of the aristocracy including the peaceful resolution of conflict.

    So like the aristocracy we love the outdoors, we cut down tall poppies (pretenders to the Royal Throne), and we are brutal in sport.

    And following one hundred years of aristocratic peace we settled a whole Continent without killing anyone, and we gained our independence without killing anyone.

    The British aristocracy was rich in hero's of the Western Enlightenment from Captain James Cook to Charles Darwin, and so many others there are too many to mention.

    And it is well worth mentioning that Carl Jung was anti-Enlightenment.

    So what about you? Are you for or against the Western Enlightenment? And why so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    The Western Enlightenment was carried to Oz (Australia) by the ascendant British Aristocracy.
    You are conflating the impact of the early Scottish Enlightenment with that of Britain's pre-Enlightenment institutions, the aristocracy and the church, which furthered a dark legacy of a very different nature.

    And yes, it was one hundred years of peace.
    The British Empire's war machine didn't rest on its laurels. And the "peace" in Australia must be considered in relation to the subdued natives. The imposition of the "White Australia" policy lasted well into the 1970s, and aborigines were demoted to the status of fauna.

    And so we inherited the manners and mores of the aristocracy including the peaceful resolution of conflict.
    Lol. The aristocracy is a warrior class. Its manners and mores reflect blind power, might makes right, not transcendent values.

    And following one hundred years of aristocratic peace we settled a whole Continent without killing anyone, and we gained our independence without killing anyone.
    According to historical records, the British Empire led massacres and executions that more than anything resemble a centuries-long genocide. Your statement is a cruel joke.

    And it is well worth mentioning that Carl Jung was anti-Enlightenment.
    Jung emerged during the high modernism of the early 20th century, when the radical ideas of the Enlightenment were culturally normative. You must be confusing him with the likes of Julius Evola and Ernst Jünger, figureheads of the reactionary Counter-Enlightenment.

    So what about you? Are you for or against the Western Enlightenment? And why so?
    Western Enlightenment played a crucial role in breaking up the stronghold of aristocracies and church authority, which are the very things you praise in this thread. Your approach to the Enlightenment, deploying it as a vehicle for imperial power and world domination, are very much in line with the likes of Thomas Carlyle and Mencius Moldbug, the contemporary figureheads of the neoreactionary/Dark Enlightenment contingent.

    Put differently, Jung was a man of his age, whereas you are looking for a return to an 18th century social order. Put next to one another, there is no question about who is the real reactionary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raskolnik View Post
    You are conflating the impact of the early Scottish Enlightenment with that of Britain's pre-Enlightenment institutions, the aristocracy and the church, which furthered a dark legacy of a very different nature. The British Empire's war machine didn't rest on its laurels. And the "peace" in Australia must be considered in relation to the subdued natives. The imposition of the "White Australia" policy lasted well into the 1970s, and aborigines were demoted to the status of fauna. Lol. The aristocracy is a warrior class. Its manners and mores reflect blind power, might makes right, not transcendent values. According to historical records, the British Empire led massacres and executions that more than anything resemble a centuries-long genocide. Your statement is a cruel joke. Jung emerged during the high modernism of the early 20th century, when the radical ideas of the Enlightenment were culturally normative. You must be confusing him with the likes of Julius Evola and Ernst Jünger, figureheads of the reactionary Counter-Enlightenment. Western Enlightenment played a crucial role in breaking up the stronghold of aristocracies and church authority, which are the very things you praise in this thread. Your approach to the Enlightenment, deploying it as a vehicle for imperial power and world domination, are very much in line with the likes of Thomas Carlyle and Mencius Moldbug, the contemporary figureheads of the neoreactionary/Dark Enlightenment contingent. Put differently, Jung was a man of his age, whereas you are looking for a return to an 18th century social order. Put next to one another, there is no question about who is the real reactionary.
    I do like ideas and I choose some ideas to support. I oppose totalitarian ideas, I support evidence and reason, liberal democracy and human rights,

    Mbti is not based on evidence and reason and it appeals to fantasists with high self esteem, and it serves the interests of business rather than human flourishing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    I do like ideas and I choose some ideas to support. I oppose totalitarian ideas, I support evidence and reason, liberal democracy and human rights,
    That's a rather lukewarm response considering the content at hand. However circuitous and indirect this concession is, I hope you understand how far you overreached in the post above.

    Mbti is not based on evidence and reason and it appeals to fantasists with high self esteem, and it serves the interests of business rather than human flourishing.
    What you call the "way out" is even less scientific, leaving no room for experimentation. It is a fixed course. Furthermore, the initiator of this "way out," Merve Emre, is a critical theorist following Adorno's "critique of Enlightenment" path. She is not an analytical thinker and her mode of thought is anathema to the evidence-based tradition to which you lay claim.

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