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    Quote Originally Posted by tigergreengrass View Post
    I mean, for me I'm an INTJ in MBTI and ILI (NiTe ego) in socionics, so for me it lines up but I know for a lot of people there is a little bit of difference
    You could argue that INTJ and ILI don't line up either though. Sure they have the functions in the same place, but the irrationality in ILI shows very well in its more laid back use of Te. INTJ seems much more rational than its Socionics counterpart, to the point of being LIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terralynn View Post
    You could argue that INTJ and ILI don't line up either though. Sure they have the functions in the same place, but the irrationality in ILI shows very well in its more laid back use of Te. INTJ seems much more rational than its Socionics counterpart, to the point of being LIE.
    You could argue a lot of things. I very specifically brought in functions to show that the functions line up because to people who don't know much about socionics they think TiNe when they see INTp.

    Given the way Te as a creative function is described, I'd actually say it has more in common with MBTI INTJ than you make it out and to argue otherwise would be falling victim to blatant stereotypes:
    It is manifested as a preference for factual accuracy over ideological consistency, and for objective, "harsh" communication over careful words that avoid a negative atmosphere. A view of the external environment being efficient, reasonable, and making sense is essential to their well-being and sense of inner peace, but they do not feel a pressing need for being proactive or productive themselves in that area.
    This snippet from Aushra's description of Ni also would line up quite well:
    When this element is in the leading position, the individual possesses innate strategic abilities and is able to choose the most optimal moments for different activities: when to give battle, if necessary, and when to avoid battle, when that would be more appropriate. Interaction in time might be interpreted as the ability to avoid collisions with objects and hence avoid objects' reflection within oneself.
    I was never saying they lined up perfectly, it would be illogical to do so given how differently certain functions are defined. I wouldn't necessarily describe the use of Te as more "laid back" per se, given that it is 3D and valued, but I would say the reputation Te gets in MBTI communities has sort of tarred the way Te ends up being described - and is as such described as more aggressive than it really is with Se and Te often being confused in that regard.
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    Think of MBTI as impersonal and Socionics as interpersonal. Problem solved.

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    Socionics in general is more detailed and distinct in their definitions than the mbti (which itself works differently being that it's more of a fluid theory). The definitions of the functions in the two theories are not the same. My mbti is ISFJ (with an emphasis on Si-Ti looping behavior, by "objective personality" standards, I'd probably be considered a "jumper") and my socionics is LII (though I am of the normalizing and Ti subtype), but I can easily justify myself in both theories without defying or walking too far outside either definition.

    Obviously though, if you're something drastically different (ie. ESFJ mbti, ILI socionics), you're probably wrong. Typically most typings are within the same axis (ie. some INTPs as LII, some ENTP may fit closer with ESE creative subtype) or within "adjacent" types (ie. some INTP may type as ILI or EII as an example).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalDoubt View Post
    Socionics in general is more detailed and distinct in their definitions than the mbti (which itself works differently being that it's more of a fluid theory). The definitions of the functions in the two theories are not the same. My mbti is ISFJ (with an emphasis on Si-Ti looping behavior, by "objective personality" standards, I'd probably be considered a "jumper") and my socionics is LII (though I am of the normalizing and Ti subtype), but I can easily justify myself in both theories without defying or walking too far outside either definition.

    Obviously though, if you're something drastically different (ie. ESFJ mbti, ILI socionics), you're probably wrong. Typically most typings are within the same axis (ie. some INTPs as LII, some ENTP may fit closer with ESE creative subtype) or within "adjacent" types (ie. some INTP may type as ILI or EII as an example).
    This is true. I think in general socionics just has better definitions of the functions, and I have only just very recently truly "snapped out" of using the MBTI versions of said functions hence why I had to change my type again.
    That being said, interestingly a good number of characters typed as INTJ in MBTI are typed as EIE by Socionics standards. However I do agree that in most cases if they are vastly different (I've seen someone claim to be INTJ in MBTI but SEI in Socionics - I have huge doubts on that) they have probably misunderstood. Especially when it comes to functions such as Ne that are quite similar across systems. However with functions such as Si, they are different in each system and I definitely lean more towards the Socionics definition. It makes a lot more sense that introverted sensing was more connected to those internal physical sensations and comforts rather than "the past". Then we have Se, which again makes sense in socionics as it relates to exerting pressure over the environment and others - external sensing (now this is often exaggerated in descriptions because a lot of people who have written those definitions had very weak unvalued Se). The MBTI version of Se regarding living in the moment sounds like an effect of having weak Ni, as opposed to strong Se.
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    I wouldn't use MBTI for anything other than work. Mixing interpersonal relationships screws up the results. Suddenly you're an ESFJ and you have no idea what happened.
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