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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny
    Have you seen the study referenced below?
    Black people commit half the gun homicides and over 70% of prison inmates were raised by single moms. That's the real problem and it has nothing to do with the police.
    Black knives don't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Black people commit half the gun homicides and over 70% of prison inmates were raised by single moms. That's the real problem and it has nothing to do with the police.
    Yes, and people with criminal records are more likely to die from gun violence. Nobody disagrees that gun violence is a problem. But people who are committing crimes are not as amenable to top-down policy making. The solutions to those problems are much more complicated.

    You're using incidence of gun violence to diminish the significance of police misconduct. It's pervasive and inescapable for people of color, and it shouldn't be overlooked.

    Let me provide you with an analogy.

    Suppose instead of the above, I responded to your post with the following:

    COVID-19 has killed over 15x the number of people that gun violence has in 2020. That's the real problem and it has nothing to do with blacks or guns.

    That's how you sound.

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    To whatever extent the conversation is about actual police misconduct, pretty much everyone is in agreement, so it might as well be discarded- since nobody wants to agree with people or "identity groups" they hate. The currency of American "discourse" is hate, fueled by anger, and all of zero people are interested in addressing that little tid bit of fact.

    The rest of the mess currently happening under the BLM "revolution," just boils down to the same long drive to tear up or circumvent the constitution of the United States, as it has stood as the primary foil for the authoritarian left's socialist agenda for decades now.

    Police misconduct is just the Trojan horse to slip the rest of the agenda in. Nobody is in the dark on this fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny
    Nobody disagrees that gun violence is a problem.
    The problem isn't guns. It's the people using guns to kill innocent people. Libertarians aren't shooting innocent people. Why are some demographics more likely to engage in violent criminal behavior? That's the root of the problem.

    The fact that your side fails to understand this basic point is the reason why places like Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, and Atlanta will never improve under Democrat leadership. Republicans haven't been in power in Chicago and Detroit for over 50 years. Fix your damn mess.

    You're using incidence of gun violence to diminish the significance of police misconduct.
    There is misconduct in every profession. The police are not any more or less guilty of this.
    Black knives don't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    The problem isn't guns. It's the people using guns to kill innocent people. Libertarians aren't shooting innocent people. Why are some demographics more likely to engage in violent criminal behavior? That's the root of the problem.

    The fact that your side fails to understand this basic point is the reason why places like Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, and Atlanta will never improve under Democrat leadership. Republicans haven't been in power in Chicago and Detroit for over 50 years. Fix your damn mess.



    There is misconduct in every profession. The police are not any more or less guilty of this.
    Have you heard this speaker before? This video will provide some of the root causes for our current racial disparity.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    The problem isn't guns. It's the people using guns to kill innocent people. Libertarians aren't shooting innocent people. Why are some demographics more likely to engage in violent criminal behavior? That's the root of the problem.
    That may be the root of the crime problem. It doesn't explain police misconduct that falls disproportionately on blacks. A black person engaged in criminal activity is more likely to die or be injured at the hands of police than a white person similarly engaged. A black person who is doing something normal and legal is more likely to be reported to police and subsequently harassed or mistreated by them than a white person engaged in the same activity. This suggests bias in the policing system. Yes, there are two problems here, and they are not unrelated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    There is misconduct in every profession. The police are not any more or less guilty of this.
    Given their role and the equipment available to them, misconduct by the police is much more likely to be immediately injurious to those subject to it than misconduct in many other professions. The recourse available to the public is usually more limited, too, as opposed to e.g. medicine where malpractice suits are commonplace.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    A bit late, but I'll give my take. It is a case of police brutality but not race. Coming from the data that's coming up, He "probably" had a beef with Floyd and kept him restrained in aggravation while Floyd died of cardiac arrest (still should be charged with homicide, even if he didn't directly kill him). As for the riots and protests, I can't get behind them. I agree there should be police reform, but it devolved (or deliberately driven toward) to being about the overwhelming racism that keeps black people down.
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