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    I know!

    It's a small minority but a loud and weird alliance of rightwing extremists (some nazi flags and slogans), antivaxxers, believers in alternative medicine, conspiracy theorists, aged hippies and frustrated relatively normal citizens.

    Here in Germany we were extremely lucky. We had few losses with just a relatively mild lockdown because it came early and people complied. Now these idiots (as well as people vacationing abroad and not social distancing there) are driving up the numbers.

    I am a bit torn about how to view our current situation. Absolute numbers are low (900 daily new infections compared to 200 at the best days before the recent uptick). But relative growth and development are bad. The R value is bad and the spread is getting more evenly distributed geographically. All warning signs. Exponential growth is just so unintuitive to humans, it seems.

    However, six days ago I read that tests had gone up from 500.000 a week to 530.000 within a short time while the positivity rate remained the same: 0.6%
    A low positivity rate tends to be a good sign.
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    I'd like to add that shops are open again as well as schools and kindergarden and most restaurants. Only very few places remain closed. There is financial help for those affected and relatively few jobs were lost due to government financed short-time work. What these people are demonstrating against is basically just wearing a mask in shops and on public transport. Boo f*cking hoo!

    Seriously, it's ideological and has little to do with the real situation here in Germany.
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    Well, this is basically the byproduct of social networks that produced the "alternative reality". While without cleaning up that in content and rhetoric we will see even more shit in the future. This is because good chunk of global problems are closely related to the false info on such networks. Until COVID we perhaps could have pretended that everything is going to be ok but at this point it is obvious that there is a problem with alternative reality. Which has very serious social implications for everything we see around us. In other words we are all waiting for the COVID vaccine but if 35% of people are anti-vaxers then the whole master plan is basically falling apart. What is simply because the ability to carefully choose all the content you will see inevitably leads to the social networks as they are now. What is cult like mindset by decent margin since you can cut off everything you don't like (reality included).

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    Barron Trump's school won't open for in-person classes - Business Insider

    As The New York Times previously reported, St. Andrew's Episcopal School in Potomac, Maryland, previously planned a virtual-only return to class or a hybrid model that would have allowed students in classrooms.
    President Trump and his administration have for weeks been adamant that schools reopen to students for the upcoming school year despite the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

    The Maryland county home to the school attended by President Donald Trump's son, Barron, has ordered private schools to remain closed through the month of September.

    "Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, we have based our decisions on science and data," Montgomery County, Maryland, health officer Dr. Travis Gayles said in a Friday press release. "At this point the data does not suggest that in-person instruction is safe for students or teachers."

    Gayles said a rise in transmission of the novel coronavirus, particularly among "younger age groups," in Maryland and nearby Washington, DC, and Virginia, led him to order private schools to close. The county's public school system — the fourth largest in the US by per-pupil spending according to the US Census Bureau, announced last month it would complete its entire first semester via virtual-only education.

    Anyone who is found to have "knowingly and willfully" violated the county's Friday order could be convicted of a misdemeanor, subject to jail time up to one year, and a fine of up to $5,000, according to the press release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    I know!

    It's a small minority but a loud and weird alliance of rightwing extremists (some nazi flags and slogans), antivaxxers, believers in alternative medicine, conspiracy theorists, aged hippies and frustrated relatively normal citizens.

    Here in Germany we were extremely lucky. We had few losses with just a relatively mild lockdown because it came early and people complied. Now these idiots (as well as people vacationing abroad and not social distancing there) are driving up the numbers.

    I am a bit torn about how to view our current situation. Absolute numbers are low (900 daily new infections compared to 200 at the best days before the recent uptick). But relative growth and development are bad. The R value is bad and the spread is getting more evenly distributed geographically. All warning signs. Exponential growth is just so unintuitive to humans, it seems.

    However, six days ago I read that tests had gone up from 500.000 a week to 530.000 within a short time while the positivity rate remained the same: 0.6%
    A low positivity rate tends to be a good sign.


    Yeah, you can take those back at anytime.


    In other words my intuition was correct, our tourist season wouldn't be such a flop as most people thought. The virus devastated good chunk of our competition, political instability also destroyed good chunk of our competition, while distance put many destinations out of the picture. Therefore plenty of Europeans are coming here since it is close and you can come with a car, plus the place is with minimal infections. The only problem is that perhaps too many people are starting to come. What perhaps isn't good due to obvious reasons, even if those are mostly people from countries with decent numbers and all mass events are canceled. What in combination with the fact that most of our tourism is compatible with social distancing makes this kinda ok-ish from pandemic point of view. However if I am wrong I am possibly sitting on the egg of Europe's second wave. It is nothing personal but it will be more comfortable when all those people leave with the end of summer. (just in the last month we had tourists that are in number equivalent to 60% of our population, while this number will probably get even bigger this month)

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    Israeli scientist invents one-minute coronavirus breath test - Science & Health - Haaretz.com

    A fascinating read. Now, how do we get it to the USA when there's a crazy person in the WH who would do just about anything in his power not to reveal the actual case numbers to avoid "looking bad"?

    Meanwhile, the news that infected people spread coronavirus when they speak, published in PNAS on Wednesday, is hardly shocking.

    Speaking produces thousands of oral fluid droplets per second, report Philip Anfinrud, Adriaan Bax and colleagues, who used lasers to examine the small-sized droplets – which may linger in the air for up to eight minutes after you emit them.

    If there’s good news, it’s that the droplets you spew while you speak slowly evaporate – really. But the bad news is that their calculations show that 1 minute of loud speaking could generate more than 1,000 virus-containing droplets that would remain airborne for 8 minutes or longer.

    So, wear masks everywhere, including at the office and absolutely on public transportation, folks. Normal speaking confers a real risk and a lot of people are infected with the coronavirus and don’t even know it yet – but can be spreading it everywhere just by saying hello.


    The next steps are to conclude the validation process then get Food and Drug Administration approval, for which there is a COVID-19 fast-tracking system in-place, meaning that the tests could be seen in public as soon as September.

    Israel invents one-minute coronavirus breath test – The Australian Jewish News
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    I really don't get American politics sometimes, the eviction wave is on the door and they just can't make some kind of a deal that would prevent the mess. I mean if families in mass lose the place to live they basically lose the ability to do their job/school in almost all cases (this is basically game over scenario). Not to mention that they are becoming more vulnerable to the virus this way. It is so bad that in a way you don't have that many options on the table to debate this over and over again (if you actually focus on the real problem).




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    Top Federal Reserve official says US needs another lockdown to save economy | TheHill

    Another? We never had one to begin with. There's no national leadership. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
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