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    Default Am I INTP or INTJ?

    1) I often come up with ideas for doing things, but don't act on them, or come up with projections for what the world will be like in the future politically as well as how it relates to my personal life and one big picture such as getting married while certain social problems back at my parent's home country end, certain third world dictatorships are overthrown or outvoted, etc.
    2) I am obsessed with planning, and am highly intuitive, to the point that I think people can infer what I mean by giving pieces of my plan but I am too tired to explain the whole picture time and time again and people misunderstand
    3) I see life as one cosmic whole, yet have struggled at times with our multifaith religious book club at our mosque, because I originally went there to have a place to read my favorite tafseer in English, (which wasn't a traditional tafsir) and then it just turned into a validation of all religions and I usually only answered with my knowledge of my religion, and felt insecure as I felt I would be more comfortable in a muslim only group in a safe space, but nonetheless enjoyed the priceless discussions and felt it to be a safe space as well in other regards, but longed for a "one truth place"
    4) I don't know where I stand politically at times, and due to certain life experiences I feel as if everything happens for a reason, and that one politician's blunder may very well be salvation in the long run, and thus dismiss politics at time, but used to be a neoconservative due to my knowledge of horrors abroad, but was convinced into progressivism by a friend when he used facts and logic (and the fact that I believed it logically it would be a means to preserve interests domestically and many progressives fought for foreign ethnic groups and populations anyway).
    5) I feel uneasy around certain people. I get easily triggered into feeling something is happening, or something will happen, but am often wrong, sometimes right.
    6) I hate when people don't follow my advice and end up paying the price
    7) I could relate in an intj video on youtube when a young woman described needing a deadline for a phone call to be exact, and my INTP best friend has commented I am too rigid with timing of when something will happen, yet at times I just do nothing all day, in fact usually, as I despise most jobs and am unemployed at the moment, and have adhd and asperger's. (I m waiting till the last year of college to get an internship)
    8) I have maladaptive daydreaming
    9)I procrastinate a lot, but get the job done right away if I feel its important or exciting.
    10) often when I get in the grip I either focus on ways I can project my hatred into improving the world, just lay down in bed and cuddle my pillow and maladaptively daydream due to my longing for a girlfriend/wife. or desperately try to get validation.
    11) I have been described by a social worker as needing to know exactly what will happen in the future, and if I could "wave a magic wand" and just know when something would happen, i would stop worrying.
    12) I used to be a huge introvert/loner as a kid and was fine with that, until i felt something was missing and i wanted to fit in and forced myself to try to interact and make friends, and now i often obsess over validation due to a fear of abandonment, but ofen wish i could be more self sufficient, and often can be quite introverted.

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    I tend to think that you are INTP, with P being slightly weak.

    Things arent that black and white to the point where some one is 100% I, 100% N, 100% T, 100% P or J.
    The ideia that INTJs dont have Ne or Ti or that INTPs dont have Ni or Te is false, "statistically" speaking although I am post-phoning publishing that. In Ni description, you can also read in somewebsites that "Ni also sees the big picture" or some sorts of things; Seeing the big picture is Ne thing, the reason why its in Ni description is that most of these websites dont believe Ni users have Ne, but they also realize that Ni users also see the big picture, so they will put that on Ni description. But Ni cant see the great picture because of Jung original concept. That happens because Ni and Ne correlates with themselves, and Ni user usually have a significant Ne and Ne users have some Ni. That happens with Te and Ti as well, a Ti user pure and with low Te is rare and should be pretty much close to Jung Ti archetype, which is clearly not your case.

    Just to be more clear, Jung cognitive function concept in a resume and basic concept is the combination of N/S, T/F and J/P with Jung I/E dimension. Jung I/E is a very deep concept, but resuming it and losing a little bit of information, it is something like:
    E--> Attention towards the object/external/enviroment
    I--> Attention towards the subject/ownself/inwards

    Ni cant see the big picutre because thats attention towards the enviroment, which is Ne departament.

    So, just to conclude that part, if you are a Ne user you will likely find Ni on some of your traits and can get use of that cognitive function; The same for Ni user.

    Ssome types has some large changes between cousins, like ISFJ and ISTJ that are quite different, but thats not the case for INTPs and INTJs, INTPs and INTJs are quite close to each other. The end of the average cognitive function stack of each of these types in Dario nardi test is almost the same and has the same sequence. Most INTJs and INTPs are "Se-tard and Fe-tard" as well, for this type looking for achile heels is mostly not useful because both have low Se and Fe in average (even some IXTPs have low Se).

    INTP (average - 30 INTPs) - Ti>Ne>Te>Ni>Fi>Si>Se>Fe
    INTJ (avg 30) - Te>Ni>Ti>Ne>Fi>Si>Se>Fe

    So, advice on your task to look which one you fit better, INTJ and INTP, dont look for achile-heels and dont pay attention to the tertiary, you should focus on this:
    - Do you prefer Ne over Ni or Ni over Ne? From what I gather, 23 INTPs prefers Ne, 3 dont have a preference and 4 where Ni-INTPs. 20 INTJs prefer Ni, 8 has no preference and 2 were Ne INTJs (Ne>Ni INTJs are most likely an error than a reality, but Ne=Ni INTJs arent that rare).
    - Do you prefer Ti over Te or Te over Ti? From 30 INTPs, 28 prefered Ti, 1 had no preference and 1 prefered Te. Clear preference for Ti is a clear signature for INTP. For INTJ, 17 prefered Te, 12 Te=Ti, 1 prefered Ti, which this last one is likely a typing mistake of his own.

    From other random stats, here are more different points:

    BIG 5 (you should take one big 5 test and get known to big 5. Big 5 creators want to bash MBTI out, but it turns out that MBTI, Big 5 and Enneagram can be a lot complementary and supplementary to each other).
    - From Big 5 Facet "Friendliness", INTPs tends to score quite lower than INTJs. Both tends to score low, but INTPs tends to score quite low while INTJ tends to be more in the middle. If you get high on that, than its unlikely that you are INTP.
    - From big 5 Facet "Assertiveness", INTPs tend to score lower than INTJs. INTJs tends to score middle, while INTPs tends to score low. Assertiveness is basic desire to lead, and INTPs dont have much desire to lead.
    - BIg 5 "CONSCIENTIOUSNESS" is more or less related to Myers J/P. But there is a strong relation between Ni, the most strong relations with this dimension and cognitive functions are Ni and Te, while the lowest are Ne, Ti and Fi. Despite that, INTPs dont usually get very low (but rather low or average) but instead INTJs usually get high or very high on this big 5 dimension. This extends to all its facets except caution and duty.

    Enneagram
    - If your enneagram is 1w9, than you are way more likely to be INTJ than INTP. If your enneagram is 9w1, than you are way more likely to be INTP. However, most chances are that you are 5w4, 5w6 or 6w5, which are common enneagram for both.

    Others
    - INTJs tends to have less "borderline" dimension than INTPs, also, "Ne is the cognitive function of the doubt" (thats not at all times accurate, but mostly is), so if you are in doubt at being INTP or INTJ you are more likely INTP.

    And of course, you could try to pay attention to dichotomy and try to have a look from there.
    Personality type distribution in 12 countries:
    https://www.typologycentral.com/foru...countries.html

    A new vision of MBTI and function stacks:
    https://www.typologycentral.com/foru...ion-stack.html

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    thanks guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vendrah View Post
    I tend to think that you are INTP, with P being slightly weak.

    Things arent that black and white to the point where some one is 100% I, 100% N, 100% T, 100% P or J.
    The ideia that INTJs dont have Ne or Ti or that INTPs dont have Ni or Te is false, "statistically" speaking although I am post-phoning publishing that. In Ni description, you can also read in somewebsites that "Ni also sees the big picture" or some sorts of things; Seeing the big picture is Ne thing, the reason why its in Ni description is that most of these websites dont believe Ni users have Ne, but they also realize that Ni users also see the big picture, so they will put that on Ni description. But Ni cant see the great picture because of Jung original concept. That happens because Ni and Ne correlates with themselves, and Ni user usually have a significant Ne and Ne users have some Ni. That happens with Te and Ti as well, a Ti user pure and with low Te is rare and should be pretty much close to Jung Ti archetype, which is clearly not your case.

    Just to be more clear, Jung cognitive function concept in a resume and basic concept is the combination of N/S, T/F and J/P with Jung I/E dimension. Jung I/E is a very deep concept, but resuming it and losing a little bit of information, it is something like:
    E--> Attention towards the object/external/enviroment
    I--> Attention towards the subject/ownself/inwards

    Ni cant see the big picutre because thats attention towards the enviroment, which is Ne departament.

    So, just to conclude that part, if you are a Ne user you will likely find Ni on some of your traits and can get use of that cognitive function; The same for Ni user.

    Ssome types has some large changes between cousins, like ISFJ and ISTJ that are quite different, but thats not the case for INTPs and INTJs, INTPs and INTJs are quite close to each other. The end of the average cognitive function stack of each of these types in Dario nardi test is almost the same and has the same sequence. Most INTJs and INTPs are "Se-tard and Fe-tard" as well, for this type looking for achile heels is mostly not useful because both have low Se and Fe in average (even some IXTPs have low Se).

    INTP (average - 30 INTPs) - Ti>Ne>Te>Ni>Fi>Si>Se>Fe
    INTJ (avg 30) - Te>Ni>Ti>Ne>Fi>Si>Se>Fe

    So, advice on your task to look which one you fit better, INTJ and INTP, dont look for achile-heels and dont pay attention to the tertiary, you should focus on this:
    - Do you prefer Ne over Ni or Ni over Ne? From what I gather, 23 INTPs prefers Ne, 3 dont have a preference and 4 where Ni-INTPs. 20 INTJs prefer Ni, 8 has no preference and 2 were Ne INTJs (Ne>Ni INTJs are most likely an error than a reality, but Ne=Ni INTJs arent that rare).
    - Do you prefer Ti over Te or Te over Ti? From 30 INTPs, 28 prefered Ti, 1 had no preference and 1 prefered Te. Clear preference for Ti is a clear signature for INTP. For INTJ, 17 prefered Te, 12 Te=Ti, 1 prefered Ti, which this last one is likely a typing mistake of his own.

    From other random stats, here are more different points:

    BIG 5 (you should take one big 5 test and get known to big 5. Big 5 creators want to bash MBTI out, but it turns out that MBTI, Big 5 and Enneagram can be a lot complementary and supplementary to each other).
    - From Big 5 Facet "Friendliness", INTPs tends to score quite lower than INTJs. Both tends to score low, but INTPs tends to score quite low while INTJ tends to be more in the middle. If you get high on that, than its unlikely that you are INTP.
    - From big 5 Facet "Assertiveness", INTPs tend to score lower than INTJs. INTJs tends to score middle, while INTPs tends to score low. Assertiveness is basic desire to lead, and INTPs dont have much desire to lead.
    - BIg 5 "CONSCIENTIOUSNESS" is more or less related to Myers J/P. But there is a strong relation between Ni, the most strong relations with this dimension and cognitive functions are Ni and Te, while the lowest are Ne, Ti and Fi. Despite that, INTPs dont usually get very low (but rather low or average) but instead INTJs usually get high or very high on this big 5 dimension. This extends to all its facets except caution and duty.

    Enneagram
    - If your enneagram is 1w9, than you are way more likely to be INTJ than INTP. If your enneagram is 9w1, than you are way more likely to be INTP. However, most chances are that you are 5w4, 5w6 or 6w5, which are common enneagram for both.

    Others
    - INTJs tends to have less "borderline" dimension than INTPs, also, "Ne is the cognitive function of the doubt" (thats not at all times accurate, but mostly is), so if you are in doubt at being INTP or INTJ you are more likely INTP.

    And of course, you could try to pay attention to dichotomy and try to have a look from there.
    very well said, i appreciate it, @Vendrah

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