The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump

[anticlimatic]

He has destroyed the Republican party. Wait for what happens once he is gone. It will require major change to remain relevant without Trump, simply because it no longer stands for anything beside Trump.

Naw. People made similar proclamations when Obama was elected.

Stupid people.

Thank you for making the owl's point.

[Nicodemus]

Ah, well here is the problem. Suppose a candidate like Biden or someone else is nominee, and this person was considered the best choice by many "experts". But suppose they just don't arouse a ton of enthusiasm. This could easily lead to many dems either staying home or defecting for third party candidates. If Biden makes the mistake of changing positions a lot, he'll compound the problem, as it will lead many independent voters to see him as ingenuine or a "flip-flopper". He needs to watch his ass and what he says if he is the nominee.

That's pretty much what happened in 2004. And it happened in 2016. A lot of former Bernie supporters did vote for Clinton, but while they might have been very enthusiastic and encouraged others to vote for Sanders, what you had were a lot of disappointed people who just did the bare minimum and pulled the lever for Hillary, but otherwise did nothing. Not to mention Sanders voters who either stayed home or voted for Stein or some other person. I remember an NPR story from 2016, right before the election, and they spoke to former Sanders supporters who were voting for Hillary. Some said that had he been nominee they would have been actively campaigning, going door-to-door and encouraging others to vote for him. But they said they just didn't have it in them to do the same for Hillary, especially after all of the DNC shenanigans the previous Spring and Summer.

Biden is not a candidate who's ever really aroused a ton of enthusiasm. He was a great veep, but look at all his failed runs for prez. People need to be careful not to assume Obama's popularity will carry over to Biden. Gore assumed he could just ride into the white house on Clinton's high approval ratings.

Well, my guess and my hope is that Biden is going to tank before people are unable to get behind someone else. Because Biden really is nothing more than the lowest common denominator.

Thank you for making the owl's point.

Owls are comparatively silly birds.

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Ah, well here is the problem. Suppose a candidate like Biden or someone else is nominee, and this person was considered the best choice by many "experts". But suppose they just don't arouse a ton of enthusiasm. This could easily lead to many dems either staying home or defecting for third party candidates. If Biden makes the mistake of changing positions a lot, he'll compound the problem, as it will lead many independent voters to see him as ingenuine or a "flip-flopper". He needs to watch his ass and what he says if he is the nominee.

That's pretty much what happened in 2004. And it happened in 2016. A lot of former Bernie supporters did vote for Clinton, but while they might have been very enthusiastic and encouraged others to vote for Sanders, what you had were a lot of disappointed people who just did the bare minimum and pulled the lever for Hillary, but otherwise did nothing. Not to mention Sanders voters who either stayed home or voted for Stein or some other person. I remember an NPR story from 2016, right before the election, and they spoke to former Sanders supporters who were voting for Hillary. Some said that had he been nominee they would have been actively campaigning, going door-to-door and encouraging others to vote for him. But they said they just didn't have it in them to do the same for Hillary, especially after all of the DNC shenanigans the previous Spring and Summer.

Biden is not a candidate who's ever really aroused a ton of enthusiasm. He was a great veep, but look at all his failed runs for prez. People need to be careful not to assume Obama's popularity will carry over to Biden. Gore assumed he could just ride into the white house on Clinton's high approval ratings.

Thanks for articulating this; this is precisely my understanding and the source of my concern with Biden, which is independent from the fact that I don't think he would do enough if he did win the office. Those are two separate things... the fact that I don't favor him as a candidate, and the fact that I think his electability has been vastly overstated.

By contrast, lots of people are enthusiastic for Buttigieg (also a more moderate candidate), and he's not going to have the same baggage as Biden if he can manage to win the nomination. Buttigieg is a much better choice.

[Jaguar]

The president on Friday said he ordered a federal review of water efficiency standards in bathroom fixtures and complained that “people are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times as opposed to once” in homes with low-flow appliances.

[anticlimatic]

The president on Friday said he ordered a federal review of water efficiency standards in bathroom fixtures and complained that "people are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times as opposed to once" in homes with low-flow appliances.

If he talked more about how companies are required to throttle water pressure in showerheads and sink faucets he would have more of a point. That shit is beyond annoying.

[Jaguar]

Perhaps we can start a national Fuck Up A Farmer Day.