User Tag List

First 4686949596

Results 951 to 956 of 956

  1. #951
    Senior Member anticlimatic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    MBTI
    INTP
    Posts
    2,308

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    He has destroyed the Republican party. Wait for what happens once he is gone. It will require major change to remain relevant without Trump, simply because it no longer stands for anything beside Trump.
    Quote Originally Posted by Julius_Van_Der_Beak View Post
    Naw. People made similar proclamations when Obama was elected.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Stupid people.
    Thank you for making the owl's point.

  2. #952
    Senior Member Nicodemus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    9,563

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    Ah, well here is the problem. Suppose a candidate like Biden or someone else is nominee, and this person was considered the best choice by many "experts". But suppose they just don't arouse a ton of enthusiasm. This could easily lead to many dems either staying home or defecting for third party candidates. If Biden makes the mistake of changing positions a lot, he'll compound the problem, as it will lead many independent voters to see him as ingenuine or a "flip-flopper". He needs to watch his ass and what he says if he is the nominee.

    That's pretty much what happened in 2004. And it happened in 2016. A lot of former Bernie supporters did vote for Clinton, but while they might have been very enthusiastic and encouraged others to vote for Sanders, what you had were a lot of disappointed people who just did the bare minimum and pulled the lever for Hillary, but otherwise did nothing. Not to mention Sanders voters who either stayed home or voted for Stein or some other person. I remember an NPR story from 2016, right before the election, and they spoke to former Sanders supporters who were voting for Hillary. Some said that had he been nominee they would have been actively campaigning, going door-to-door and encouraging others to vote for him. But they said they just didn't have it in them to do the same for Hillary, especially after all of the DNC shenanigans the previous Spring and Summer.

    Biden is not a candidate who's ever really aroused a ton of enthusiasm. He was a great veep, but look at all his failed runs for prez. People need to be careful not to assume Obama's popularity will carry over to Biden. Gore assumed he could just ride into the white house on Clinton's high approval ratings.
    Well, my guess and my hope is that Biden is going to tank before people are unable to get behind someone else. Because Biden really is nothing more than the lowest common denominator.

    Quote Originally Posted by anticlimatic View Post
    Thank you for making the owl's point.
    Owls are comparatively silly birds.

  3. #953
    ha-ha-hoo Julius_Van_Der_Beak's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/so
    Socionics
    LII None
    Posts
    12,080

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    Ah, well here is the problem. Suppose a candidate like Biden or someone else is nominee, and this person was considered the best choice by many "experts". But suppose they just don't arouse a ton of enthusiasm. This could easily lead to many dems either staying home or defecting for third party candidates. If Biden makes the mistake of changing positions a lot, he'll compound the problem, as it will lead many independent voters to see him as ingenuine or a "flip-flopper". He needs to watch his ass and what he says if he is the nominee.

    That's pretty much what happened in 2004. And it happened in 2016. A lot of former Bernie supporters did vote for Clinton, but while they might have been very enthusiastic and encouraged others to vote for Sanders, what you had were a lot of disappointed people who just did the bare minimum and pulled the lever for Hillary, but otherwise did nothing. Not to mention Sanders voters who either stayed home or voted for Stein or some other person. I remember an NPR story from 2016, right before the election, and they spoke to former Sanders supporters who were voting for Hillary. Some said that had he been nominee they would have been actively campaigning, going door-to-door and encouraging others to vote for him. But they said they just didn't have it in them to do the same for Hillary, especially after all of the DNC shenanigans the previous Spring and Summer.

    Biden is not a candidate who's ever really aroused a ton of enthusiasm. He was a great veep, but look at all his failed runs for prez. People need to be careful not to assume Obama's popularity will carry over to Biden. Gore assumed he could just ride into the white house on Clinton's high approval ratings.

    Thanks for articulating this; this is precisely my understanding and the source of my concern with Biden, which is independent from the fact that I don't think he would do enough if he did win the office. Those are two separate things... the fact that I don't favor him as a candidate, and the fact that I think his electability has been vastly overstated.

    By contrast, lots of people are enthusiastic for Buttigieg (also a more moderate candidate), and he's not going to have the same baggage as Biden if he can manage to win the nomination. Buttigieg is a much better choice.
    A path is made by walking on it.

    -Zhuangzi



  4. #954
    Senior Member Jaguar's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    16,662

    Default

    The president on Friday said he ordered a federal review of water efficiency standards in bathroom fixtures and complained that “people are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times as opposed to once” in homes with low-flow appliances.

    The purpose of politics is not to defeat your opponent as much as it is to provide superior leadership and better ideas than the opposition.

  5. #955
    Senior Member anticlimatic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    MBTI
    INTP
    Posts
    2,308

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    The president on Friday said he ordered a federal review of water efficiency standards in bathroom fixtures and complained that "people are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times as opposed to once" in homes with low-flow appliances.
    If he talked more about how companies are required to throttle water pressure in showerheads and sink faucets he would have more of a point. That shit is beyond annoying.

  6. #956
    Senior Member Jaguar's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    16,662

    Default

    Perhaps we can start a national Fuck Up A Farmer Day.

    The purpose of politics is not to defeat your opponent as much as it is to provide superior leadership and better ideas than the opposition.

Similar Threads

  1. The Psychology of Donald Trump Revealed
    By Xann in forum General Psychology
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 08-24-2016, 09:36 PM
  2. [NF] The Case of Nunki
    By Polaris in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 02-11-2010, 11:15 PM
  3. "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button" (2008)
    By Grayscale in forum Arts & Entertainment
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 02-26-2009, 04:15 PM
  4. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 01-28-2009, 08:19 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO