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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark
    Capitalism is destroying the earth's capacity to support life.
    You wouldn't be saying that if you see the fricken traffic jams here in the city. If anything, capitalism has greatly increased the earth's capacity to support life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    You wouldn't be saying that if you see the fricken traffic jams here in the city. If anything, capitalism has greatly increased the earth's capacity to support life.
    What happens when you have infinite demand upon finite resources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark
    What happens when you have infinite demand upon finite resources?
    There is no such thing as infinity, but if we had a huge demand and finite resources, we could just invade Canada.
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    The numbers don't look good and we are looking at another record low Arctic sea ice cap at the end of the summer melt season in September. Especially since 2019 is in the lead for a current date. Also less ice means more open water that is much better at absorbing energy.







    Or how that looks like a map.









    The ice thickness is actually ultra alarming since there just isn't any thick multi-layer ice left. So the sun will hit none stop the thin ice for the next month and a half until melt season ends in September and that should melt away huge surfaces. For years scientist are speculating about the possibility that the ice will melt away in third dimension from below and that the ice cap will suddenly disappear. After all this is extremely thin object at the moment, in diameter it is in thousands of miles and in thickness it is just a few dozen centimeters.


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    From May '19: Climate change may make the Arctic tundra a drier landscape

    "Lake drying may be one of the most significant consequences of Arctic climate change given that the majority of the world's lakes are in high latitudes," explained lead author Rebecca Finger Higgens, a graduate student in the ecology, evolution, ecosystems and society program at Dartmouth. "Much of the drying of lakes in Kangerlussuaq has been occurring from 1985 until now, a period during which we've also seen a 2.5 Celsius increase in the mean annual temperature. Our results demonstrate that warmer temperatures in western Greenland over the past 30 years have accelerated lake decline," she added.
    Over the past week: Wildfires Ravaging The Arctic Right Now Are So Intense, You Can See Them From Space
    Thomas Smith, an environmental geographer at the London School of Economics, told USA TODAY that the magnitude of these fires has never been seen in the 16-year satellite record, and because they are burning carbon stores, they are inevitably feeding a vicious warming cycle.

    "These are some of the biggest fires on the planet, with a few appearing to be larger than 100,000 hectares (380 square miles)," Smith said.

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    it seems like models might be way off in predicting the amount and speed of fubar

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    Speaking of disappearing lakes:

    There is a number of big lakes around the world that are disappearing due to combination of: changes in rainfall, desertification, disappearance of glaciers that provide water source, use of water for drinking and agriculture. What creates clear deficit in "inflow and use of the water in the lakes" ratio.


    Lake Chad - central Africa




    What leads to this



    What in the end fuels regional instability and refugee crisis in Europe. Since Sahara is spreading into the region.





    Chennai lake - India
    Not enough rain/inflow and water supply is in problems.








    Aral sea - central Asia

    This used to be the 4th largest lake in the world just decades ago. But messing up the river paths for agriculture and increased temperature/desertification have dried the huge lake, that wasn't that shallow.




    So today you can find fishing ships in the middle of a desert there.







    Lake Popoo - Bolivia

    From what I understand glaciers that were feeding the lake melted away.









    Even in USA there are troubles with water reservoirs lately








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    In the future this will surely be one of bigger problem through out the world, since water is vital resource. Human hand can evidently change the whole landscape.

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    You'd think the anti-immigration people in the USA and Europe would be more alarmed. Climate change refugees are going to make the current immigration crisis look paltry in comparison.

    Consider the strain on our infrastuctures under the weight of millions of climate refugees, consider the shrinking reservoirs Virtual mentioned above and ask where the hell these people are going to get enough drinking water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    You'd think the anti-immigration people in the USA and Europe would be more alarmed. Climate change refugees are going to make the current immigration crisis look paltry in comparison.

    Consider the strain on our infrastuctures under the weight of millions of climate refugees, consider the shrinking reservoirs Virtual mentioned above and ask where the hell these people are going to get enough drinking water.
    I'm sure the current administration and ruling party is simply hoping they die before they get here. Or mowing them down at the border, which has also been suggested. Unless they are coming from Norway or some other white people country. All of this has actually been said so anyone who has an issue with it, take it up with Trump.

    In the end, doing something requires mass organizing on a global level. We live in Fortress America now, this is never going to happen. My suggestion is to start donating money to and voting for every candidate that also puts this problem front and center., that grasp the global size of the problem and are willing to move away from a solely capitalist economy to make it happen.
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