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City of the future

Spectre

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I have been thinking of city planning and such lately and wondered how the cities of the future will be.

So how do you think the cities will be in the future?

How would you like the cities to be?

What kind of changes would you like to see in your city?
 

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I wish I knew more about it to be honest.

I know that I've seen some brilliant old archive footage of the first urban development projects that were created in the UK during the post war slum clearance years. It was full of hope and pretty amazing, even if there was more than a hint of old fashioned fabian cradle to grave socialism about it all too (I dont like this sort of socialism it has to be said because it was all about the planning and standardization/uniformity of people and life as much as service delivery).

It all looked awesome. Although it was not long after those videos were shot and just the space of one or two generation shifts that those places became terrifying gang ridden dives. The back drop to the terrifying dystopia that Clockwork Orange was. Sim City tried to integrate that into the sorts of blocs that you could create, there was that JG Ballard dystopia I think its called Highrise, it prefigured the 2000AD Bloc Wars story arc if you're interested. What got you interested in this topic?
 

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I wish I knew more about it to be honest.

I know that I've seen some brilliant old archive footage of the first urban development projects that were created in the UK during the post war slum clearance years. It was full of hope and pretty amazing, even if there was more than a hint of old fashioned fabian cradle to grave socialism about it all too (I dont like this sort of socialism it has to be said because it was all about the planning and standardization/uniformity of people and life as much as service delivery).

It all looked awesome. Although it was not long after those videos were shot and just the space of one or two generation shifts that those places became terrifying gang ridden dives. The back drop to the terrifying dystopia that Clockwork Orange was. Sim City tried to integrate that into the sorts of blocs that you could create, there was that JG Ballard dystopia I think its called Highrise, it prefigured the 2000AD Bloc Wars story arc if you're interested. What got you interested in this topic?

Well, I am interested in environmental science and most of us spend our lives in cities.

I found this.
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Sounds marvelous with green roofs.
 
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Cyberpunk Night City/Judge Dread/Blade Runner Megalopolises that are over crowded with ultra wealthy centers surrounded by decaying shantytown’s where lawlessness and abject poverty run rampant under clouds of acid rain.

At least that’s what pop culture suggests.

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I can guarantee you that in just about a few decades having a personal car would become an unnecessary luxury, thus the number of cars on the road will be reduced several times. High speed trains, metro, bicycles and, I assume, cableways in some places would substitute road traffic.

Garbage is already a commodity. There are technologies that allow complete recycle without the need to handle it separately, producing biogas in the process.http://https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-12/danish-company-dong-turns-trash-into-energy

A huge problem would be water level for sea cities and from rain, which lately intensifies in some areas. Considering that hydraulics is one of the oldest ways to produce and store energy, I imagine that cities will diversify their energy sources even further.
 

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I can guarantee you that in just about a few decades having a personal car would become an unnecessary luxury, thus the number of cars on the road will be reduced several times. High speed trains, metro, bicycles and, I assume, cableways in some places would substitute road traffic.

Garbage is already a commodity. There are technologies that allow complete recycle without the need to handle it separately, producing biogas in the process.http://https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-12/danish-company-dong-turns-trash-into-energy

A huge problem would be water level for sea cities and from rain, which lately intensifies in some areas. Considering that water flow is one of the oldest ways to produce and store energy, I imagine that cities will diversify their energy sources even further.

I too think personal cars will be rarer, considering peak oil and all.

Even worse, all finite resources follow the peak pattern, more or less. "Peak most things" will change our lives utterly I am afraid.

One of the big questions is if large investments will be made in time, or it will run out in the sand.

Interesting link. Did you know that Sweden imports lots of garbage as fuel for powerplants?
 

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current trends seem to be toward giant, self-contained communities within skyscrapers. meh.

I'd like to see more of nature incorporated into cities, to lessen the carbon footprint and keep wildlife from being pushed to the margins. This is necessary for the survival of the human race and the planet, as cities are continually expanding and will take up more and more of the planet's surface in the coming decades. The paradigm of cities and manmade communities existing as isolated islands distinct from the surrounding nature is an old and outdated model that will not lend itself toward a sustainable, eco-friendly future.

BBC - Future - Why we need to bring nature back into cities

In addition to the eco-friendly aspects, I seem to remember reading a study or studies suggesting how increased exposure to nature is good for our own mental wellbeing. So this is not just a win for animal life, but for the human animal.


I'd also like to see giant floating ocean cities that harness wind, hydraulic and solar energy.

Floating Cities, No Longer Science Fiction, Begin to Take Shape - The New York Times

World's first floating city set for 2020 in Pacific Ocean | Daily Mail Online

My only worry for these floating cities is that, just like the self-contained skyscraper communities, they may become havens for the wealthy whilst the rest of society is left to deal with the effects of ever changing climate such as super hurricanes and shrinking coastlines. However, the coastal cities that end up underwater will make nice places for new coral formations, which will in turn help the ocean wildlife population expand, which means more food for humans.


We should also work toward building more durable structures and communities in disaster-prone areas, i.e. buildings better designed to withstand hurricane and tornado winds. Perhaps underground communities would be in order for some areas, so long as flooding is not an issue. Building down is a viable and necessary course as our population grows and cities sprawling across the surface are no longer viable to contain the growing masses. We've already built up with skyscrapers, so we should build down as well. We need to start thinking more vertically and less horizontally.


These 8 Hidden Underground Cities Are Groundbreaking (Literally)

Coober Pedy - Wikipedia

Finally, let's build several generational ships and start sending people out to colonize other worlds. This is a very long term solution but we shouldn't assume our planet will always survive or remain a hospitable place for humans.

And someone mentioned using garbage. We might as well work toward re-using/converting all or most waste, for instance urine and fecal matter might be converted into fresh drinking water and plant fertilizer, respectively. And all that jizz Riker leaves on the holodeck can probably be converted into plant food or something.
 

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I too think personal cars will be rarer, considering peak oil and all.

Even worse, all finite resources follow the peak pattern, more or less. "Peak most things" will change our lives utterly I am afraid.

One of the big questions is if large investments will be made in time, or it will run out in the sand.

Interesting link. Did you know that Sweden imports lots of garbage as fuel for powerplants?

After the coming oil crisis nothing will be the same.

I do know about Sweden but the mentioned technology doesn't rely on manual sorting of waste which is much more practical with smaller losses. My point was that slowly garbage is going to become a commodity instead of something you are trying to get rid of. And I personally think that certain types of plastics will be a rare commodity in the future when people will be able to have their private 3D printers. As you probably know, plastics are made of oil.

BTW, a widespread use of 3D printers will completely reshape global trade where only raw materials will be shipped. I imagine that we would be able to produce a great deal of stuff in our own homes.
 

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And someone mentioned using garbage. We might as well work toward re-using/converting all or most waste, for instance urine and fecal matter might be converted into fresh drinking water and plant fertilizer, respectively. And all that jizz Riker leaves on the holodeck can probably be converted into plant food or something.

This reminded me of the Matrix where they decomposed the bodies of the dead to feed the living. I think it's a waste to incinerate a corpse, it could be used for so many purposes.
 

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This reminded me of the Matrix where they decomposed the bodies of the dead to feed the living. I think it's a waste to incinerate the bodies of the dead, they could be used for so many purposes.

I realize this grosses some people out but it's not really much different from the natural cycle.
 

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I too think personal cars will be rarer, considering peak oil and all. Even worse, all finite resources follow the peak pattern, more or less. "Peak most things" will change our lives utterly I am afraid. One of the big questions is if large investments will be made in time, or it will run out in the sand. Interesting link. Did you know that Sweden imports lots of garbage as fuel for powerplants?
It looks like China is going to make a proper run at fusion due to their crazy electricity needs and pollution issues. So oil for fuel might be less crucial in 50 years. I'm still a bit sceptical, but I think in recent times funding has been one of the big things holding fusion back, so a superpower like China that will just throw resources at it could be what is needed. It might completely reshape the world politically too if some countries are still reliant on oil while others have moved to next generation technologies. No doubt battery storage for electric cars will be good enough by then.

Regarding cities, I think eventually we'll move away from having overcrowded big cities to having more smaller cities with superfast transport. There are so many negatives to high density living that I think the average person will still avoid it and look for something where land is less expensive and there is space to move. If they can quickly get to places they need, there will be no reason to overcrowd.
 

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It looks like China is going to make a proper run at fusion due to their crazy electricity needs and pollution issues. So oil for fuel might be less crucial in 50 years. I'm still a bit sceptical, but I think in recent times funding has been one of the big things holding fusion back, so a superpower like China that will just throw resources at it could be what is needed. It might completely reshape the world politically too if some countries are still reliant on oil while others have moved to next generation technologies. No doubt battery storage for electric cars will be good enough by then.

Regarding cities, I think eventually we'll move away from having overcrowded big cities to having more smaller cities with superfast transport. There are so many negatives to high density living that I think the average person will still avoid it and look for something where land is less expensive and there is space to move. If they can quickly get to places they need, there will be no reason to overcrowd.

We already have fission which we could use to become almost completely independent of oil in the next 3-5 years, and in a decade, completely independent. But we don't do it for political reasons. Yet, the problem with fusion is a lack of fundamental knowledge, which takes a genius to overcome, so I'd put it somewhere in the unknown future.
 

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I think fusion will be a reality by 2100. Warp drive by 2150. Teleportation of simple, inanimate objects possibly in this century; teleportation of more complex forms and living tissue by 2200, maybe. Cybernetic implants and enhancements will probably be the norm within the next 200 years.
 

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I think fusion will be a reality by 2100. Warp drive by 2150. Teleportation of simple, inanimate objects possibly in this century; teleportation of more complex forms and living tissue by 2200, maybe. Cybernetic implants and enhancements will probably be the norm within the next 200 years.

Possibly. But how did you end up with this time frame? What would make fusion possible? Research? I wouldn't think so. Today, most of the research lacks solid theoretical ground. It's almost like shooting in the dark room, hoping to 'hit' something. May be it was the same in the previous times, I wouldn't know, but today we certainly need a genius to put it all together and geniuses are not easy to find. If we can get deep learning to come up with some practical answers for us, that could be the only other possible option.
 
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