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Our sun is special

Is it?

  • Yay

    Votes: 19 24.7%
  • Nay

    Votes: 58 75.3%

  • Total voters
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ItsAGuy

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It's an absolute value he's using, doesn't matter closer or further away.

By the way, the eccentricity of the Earth's orbit is around 1.7%; which means, annually, our distance changes by about 3.4% - I'm still breathing and taking hot showers...

Right right; in fact, due to the tilt of our procession right now, the earth is actually closer to the sun during the north's far more bitter winters, and further from the sun during the north's far more searing summers... the distance to the sun IS important, but so is the amount of ocean, the circulation of water within the ocean, the thickness and composition of the atmosphere, how hot the core and mantle still are and the strength of the magnetic field. In fact, the mantle is largely the deciding factor right now because it's circulation helps recirculate the atmosphere and reintroduce fresh carbon dioxide (among other things, via volcanoes). Further, we rely quite a lot on internal heat.

But, as the mantle continues to cool, the crust will eventually stop moving (though a few magma pipes will still reach the surface, similar to the end times on mars that led to artifacts like olympus mons), water will become permanently trapped beneath a surface that becomes ever more dry and cold, sporting a thinner and thinner atmosphere that has dwindling amounts of water vapor and carbon dioxide (both of which are greenhouse gases.) As these processes kill off life [as we know it], plants will no longer be able to produce oxygen (at least in useful quantities), thus further thinning the atmosphere (and the thinner it gets the colder). That, and what oxygen remains will rabidly bond (oxidize) with the soil, disappearing largely forever.

In other words, Earth is already heading down the path to become another, fatter, Mars. By the time it reaches this status, Earth won't be very much warmer than Mars is now, regardless of its distance from the sun.

Internal heat + External Heat + Atmospheric Recycling (geogenic and biogenic) + Magnetosphere to protect the atmosphere... we can't live here if any one of these disappears.

Conversely, there are places in this solar system that may be good habitats right up till the sun sheds its skin... i.e., beneath the surfaces of 3 out of 4 gallilean moons. Due to kneading by the gravity of Jupiter, their cores will remain hot for far longer than Earth will with the assistance of the ever-distancing Moon. Being beneath the surface would also help shield settlers from Joop's radiation. Hell... in a billion years, we might have to consider pushing jupiter inward a little bit (not early to where we are now, but closer), and then pushing earth and mars into orbit around it. Hell, venus too. The fresh tectonic strain may help resurrect Mars' core, and keep ours from failing... meaning both of which could potentially be warm enough from within to make up for the extra distance from the sun.

I'm sure, by then, we'll have figured out how to do all this. =)
 
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paradox fox

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Nay: The star itself, not special. The system of planets it supports, extraordinarily special.
 
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^ Yep and if all goes well, the sun will behave and we'll all live to see 2013.


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Of course our sun is special.

It's the perfect size and distance away from us. 2% in distance either towards or away from the sun and we are deaddddd

Of course, because we evolved to live in this condition.
If we lived on Venus, then we would have some kind of big heat protection.
 

InvisibleJim

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Sol is special to us, but it seems relatively average in the grand scheme of things. I suppose it is in a single star system and many stars are in binary or multiple systems.

VY Canis Majoris is more special.

Heres a diagram in order of left to right. Sol, the Pistol Star, Rho Cassiopeiae, Betelgeuse, VY Canis Majoris

Red is the orbit of Jupiter, blue is the orbit of Neptune (for scale)

800px-Rho_Cassiopeiae_Sol_VY_Canis_Majoris.png
 

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Of course our sun is special.

It's the perfect size and distance away from us. 2% in distance either towards or away from the sun and we are deaddddd
But of course. Without it there would not be life on Earth. We are as yet to see another solar system which harbours a planet as our own. It could be argued that it is the whole of our solar system which is unique but it would not detract from our sun being special.
We don’t have any hard data on how many stars are under that same condition as our own, though statistical probability would predict a lot of them. So many that most astronomists don’t even entertain the possibility that our universe is bereft of life. It's similar to type rarity; sure INFJs may make up less than 2% of the population but when you factor it against a species of 8 billion, it's really quite a few overall.
 

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Our part of the galaxy has an unusually large (very rare) amount of oxygen and other heavy elements. Apart from that, it's pretty ordinary.
 

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It definitely isn't. It just so happened that one of its planets (Earth) happened to have the properties required for life to evolve.
 

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If you take the sun as an individual thing, it is not special, but in relation to us it is, because it keeps us alive lol. And the odds of a planet being the right size, the sun being the right size, and the distance and orbit of the planet to be right is low...obviously. Not only the sun is special, but the whole positioning of our solar system is special.

Of course, because we evolved to live in this condition.
If we lived on Venus, then we would have some kind of big heat protection.
Yea, if we could live on Venus we might as well live on the Sun too.
 

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We see the sun like most parents see their children: It is so very special to us, but average compared to the other children/stars.
 

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Rather impressed by the amount of knowledge of astronomy and geology that some people in this thread possess (particularly ItsAGuy -- really liked your post).

I hope everyone realizes at this point that it all depends on what you mean by "special"...

Anyway, this thread got me thinking about something I'd heard once before, as did this quote:

Not only the sun is special, but the whole positioning of our solar system is special.

Has anybody heard the idea that the sun, earth, and moon all happen to be the exact right sizes relative to one another and exact right distances from each other to make solar and lunar eclipses occur?

Any reality to that idea?

If so, that would be a pretty amazing coincidence...

If you have any insight on this, please post it here, rep/pm/vm me.

Thanks

p.s. Tonight is the winter solstice (in the Northern hemisphere), and there is also a lunar eclipse occurring tonight. This is the first time these two events have happened in conjunction with one another in 456 years (since 1554). Pretty cool.
 
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Our sun ìs in special needs class. All the grownup stars think it's a bit retarded and has a growth deficiency, but they don't recognize it's artistic side, you know... facilitating live and stuff!
 

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Our sun ìs in special needs class. All the grownup stars think it's a bit retarded and has a growth deficiency, but they don't recognize it's artistic side, you know... facilitating live and stuff!

Yes, our sun is very kind hearted and we should be grateful for that.
 
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