Incandescent lights to be banned?

[ajblaise]

Taking out the trash is a mild inconvenience... recycling is an extreme inconvenience.

Global warming and peak oil could prove to be an inconvenience too. You might have to sacrifice the soft warm glow of incandescents (at least until they come out with an alternative that produces the exact same lighting effect if they haven't already).

 

[Athenian200]

Global warming and peak oil could prove to be an inconvenience too.

Global warming... don't believe in it. Peak oil... okay, yeah, we need more energy efficient bulbs. But why CFLs and not any of the others? I'm questioning why that's the only alternative they're sticking in our faces, and possibly the only one they'll allow.

You might have to sacrifice the soft warm glow of incandescents (at least until they come out with an alternative that produces the exact same lighting effect if they haven't already).

It doesn't have to be exactly the same, I just want something that doesn't have that annoying... flickering quality like a CFL does. I think wildcat hit on the quality that bothered me. The mercury makes me paranoid about the bulb breaking also. I want to use LED lights, or possibly even some kind of commercial lighting alternative, just to avoid that flicker.

 

[ajblaise]

Global warming... don't believe in it. Peak oil... okay, yeah, we need more energy efficient bulbs. But why CFLs and not any of the others? I'm questioning why that's the only alternative they're sticking in our faces, and possibly the only one they'll allow.

Well, there's LEDs, and there will probably be a host of new light technologies that become developed. I think they are just going to raise efficiency standards, not limit use to any one type of bulb.

btw, do you disregard the temperature figures that report global warming or do you just think it's not man-made? Just wondering.

 

[Athenian200]

Well, there's LEDs, and there will probably be a host of new light technologies that become developed. I think they are just going to raise efficiency standards, not limit use to any one type of bulb.

Yeah. I'm going to use LEDs, if I'm allowed to and they make enough light. I'm more comfortable with them, I have LEDs in several devices I use regularly, and appreciated the kind of light that comes from them... wondering why they don't use these in larger lights. I might have to pay through the nose for them, but if that's the only way to avoid the mercury and flickering... it's worth it.

btw, do you disregard the temperature figures that report global warming or do you just think it's not man-made? Just wondering.

Oh, I believe it could be happening, though I'm not convinced. I just don't think it's man-made. There are so many other factors, like wobbling towards the sun, the fact that volcanic eruptions often have a much bigger impact on the environment than humans, etc.

 

[ygolo]

I won't like this decision forced on me either. I hate ordinances like this one.

But if it is forced on me, I'll used LED bases bulbs, even if I have to make 'em myself for the color I want. There is that, 3rd, rather unsung route.

 

[Oom]

Well shit, looks like it's about time to start looking for another country to live in.

 

[Athenian200]

Well shit, looks like it's about time to start looking for another country to live in.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing for other reasons, but there are two problems with that:

1. Who would accept immigrants from the U.S? I don't think anyone would.
2. Are there any countries that are actually better to live in? Probably not.

 

[Oom]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing for other reasons, but there are two problems with that:

1. Who would accept immigrants from the U.S? I don't think anyone would.
2. Are there any countries that are actually better to live in? Probably not.

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[Oom]

Why wouldn't anyone take U.S. immigrants?

^Serious Question Above^

 

[Athenian200]

Why wouldn't anyone take U.S. immigrants?

^Serious Question Above^

Well:

1. Our economy is doing poorly. They'll know we're just "jumping ship," and that looks bad. Makes us look selfish or apathetic about allegiance.

2. America's standards of education are considerably lower than in other parts of the world. We wouldn't make a very good addition to their workforce.

3. Americans are typically seen as lazy, consumer, martial, individualistic, and uncooperative. Not really good at "teamwork" or learning a new culture.

4. We're viewed as culturally and morally "backwards" in many ways, despite our technology. Less than civilized, if you will.

Seriously, Americans are probably the least desirable people in the world to most countries.

 

[nightning]

Hmmmm places like singapore would probably love skilled immigrants. Of course the key emphasis here is "skilled". There's still a doctor shortage in Canada... especially in the rural areas. But practitioners all must be board certified... Strangely this is not the case in some States?

But in general, if you don't have technical skills or money to invest... other countries wouldn't take you in. It has very little to do with allegiance.

 

[Athenian200]

Hmmmm places like singapore would probably love skilled immigrants. Of course the key emphasis here is "skilled". There's still a doctor shortage in Canada... especially in the rural areas. But practitioners all must be board certified... Strangely this is not the case in some States?

But in general, if you don't have technical skills or money to invest... other countries wouldn't take you in. It has very little to do with allegiance.

Well, that makes sense, of course. If you're going to take immigrants, take skilled ones. My point is that the American definition of "skilled" probably isn't well-respected internationally due to our educational system.

 

[Fluffywolf]

Hmm, this discussion is odd, from a Dutch perspective.

 

[Athenian200]

Hmm, this discussion is odd, from a Dutch perspective.

Really? Why is that?

 

[Dark Razor]

There are numerous possible problems associated with energy saving lamps. Apart from Mercury those are :

• Significant emission of potentially harmful electromagnetic radiation.

• Unnaturally high proportion of blue light and "gaps" in the spectrum of regular CFLs, like this:

Full spectrum light source:

Normal CFL:

I have read that a high level of blue light may harm the retina, but I need to keep looking to find a reliable source for that. It may also mess with hormone balance.

• Emission of UV radiation, especially UV-C radiation, which does not normally reach the earth's surface

• Flicker, which can cause migraines and general discomfort

Personally I plan to stock up on normal light bulbs before they are banned, I was in favor of a ban at one point, but that was before I was aware of the potential health risks associated with CFLs.

 

[BlueScreen]

Fluorescent lights have the most ugly and annoying spectrum. And no one disposes of them properly so we'll end up with some wonderful chemicals in the landfills. When someone makes something better then we should replace incandescents with them. Till then use them where you want your house to feel like a seven eleven. I'm not really being the environmentalist, am I? I think there are far more useful and effective ways to save power than replace some light bulbs. And if people are really into it, then promote responsible disposal at the same time.

 

[/DG/]

We should make a petition or something...

 

[nightning]

I doubt that'll make one whit of difference... a petition.

Better off continue buying low wattage incandescent bulbs.

 

[Athenian200]

Well, I got my bulb today.

I tested it out. The bulb worked, of course. It still has the ugly tone, but the light seems much "cleaner" than a florescent bulb. My mother said it didn't make her sick to look at though it seemed a little dim, and after we turned the other lights in the room off... she said she could get used to this light color.

But we did notice that although it was advertised as a 60-watt equivalent, it was putting out light in the ambient sense more like a 40-watt bulb, but the light was more "even" in a way that's hard to explain, so you could actually read by it just as easily at the same distance even though it seemed dimmer. Weird. Also, it looks as if the bulk of the light came out of the TOP of the bulb. Meaning that it works best if pointed downwards or used in a desk lamp.

The final thing to note is that it seemed to produce far less glare than an incandescent or florescent bulb.

So, my mother says that these LED lights aren't as good as incandescent, but she vastly prefers them to florescent. She actually says that she'd "rather buy neon lights" than use florescent lighting. I can't really blame her.

 

[Risen]

Yes, banned by the same group of lowly indescribably, unconscionably, incomprehensibly, inept, anserine scourge of the human race politicians and their masters in the environmentalist lobby. A bunch of stupid d*** in a s*** box nematodes whom I could offer 1 one thousandth of a fetal chimpanzee brain to yield a ten fold increase in their own immeasurably infinitesimally diminutive intelligence quotient. Enjoy your mercury free incandescent bulbs while they last. These are the same idiots who tell you what to think about global warming, and yet many of you can't seem to ascertain just how (everything I said above) these people are. Truly truly amazing.