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I came up this this mathamatical idea

Pseudonym_Alpha

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It just kind of started a thought, after watching the movie Enigma, about cryptology and different codes, and i came up with the following;

A|0,1,2,3,4
B|5,6
C|7,8,9
D|10,11,12,13
E|14,15,16,17,18
F|19,20,21,22,23,24,25
G|26,27,28,29,30,31,32
H|33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40
I|41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49
J|50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59
K|60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70
L|71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82
M|83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95
N|96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109
O|110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124
P|125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140
Q|141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152,153,15,155,156,157
R|158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175
S|176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194
T|195,196,197,198,199,200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214
U|215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235
V|236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249,250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257
W|258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280
X|281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299,300,301,302,303,304
Y|305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,329
Z|330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349,350,351,352,353,354,355

Having each character have its own series of numbers, which can make it harder and or easier to read the code.

for example, 33,41 = Hi , however you can also have 34,42 = Hi

any idea's on possible application of such a code?
 

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310, 17, 192

318, 118, 224, 8, 0, 108, 198, 305, 130, 17, 80, 49, 65, 16, 197, 35, 44, 190
 

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well that made absolutely no sense! rofl

because you have to but dividers in, otherwise the code is unreadable! :D
 

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well that made absolutely no sense! rofl

because you have to but dividers in, otherwise the code is unreadable! :D

Not to a computer. If you had a program designed to read that kind of code, it could interpret the message in several ways and then deduce the most reasonable locations for the dividers based on lexical rules regarding vowel placement, probability based on commonality of letters, and even a dictionary.

If you put dividers in, it would be too easy for an attacker to figure out the code.
 

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yeah i thought that after i already posted it heh.

My favourite quote from Enigma;

"if you type the code in and it reads gobbilty-gook then you have nonsense, but if you type it in and it comes out Mary Jane Hawkins, you've broken Enigma for the day"

Making the code so that it is unreadable to others, yet still be decipherable.

But for arguments sake, put the dividers in LOL! :D
 

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yeah i thought that after i already posted it heh.

My favourite quote from Enigma;

"if you type the code in and it reads gobbilty-gook then you have nonsense, but if you type it in and it comes out Mary Jane Hawkins, you've broken Enigma for the day"

Making the code so that it is unreadable to others, yet still be decipherable.

But for arguments sake, put the dividers in LOL! :D

Well, I've inserted the dividers, but now ANYONE can read it. If you left the dividers out, and programmed a computer to calculate the code, that would make it more useful.
 

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There isn't any possible word in english that you can substitute Y for G and C or Z for H or A?
I think there must be some word that at least Z and H can be flipped
 

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Arrrggghhhh! All uv dem numbuhs is gonna chrush me! Ahhh! :run:

Lol that's the way I felt when I saw it, numbers hurt my brain.
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Lol that's the way I felt when I saw it, numbers hurt my brain.
foolish15.gif

No need to develop low self-esteem here, Sahara. Your prowess in dealing with emotional situations and attunement to others more than makes up for any numerical processing deficiencies you might have. That was designed to be dealt with by computers anyway, that's what machines are for. You're really a nice person, don't feel bad.
 

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No need to develop low self-esteem here, Sahara. Your prowess in dealing with emotional situations and attunement to others more than makes up for any numerical processing deficiencies you might have. That was designed to be dealt with by computers anyway, that's what machines are for. You're really a nice person, don't feel bad.

:) Thanks athenian, I'm only bothered by it occasionally, like when my son (a definate T type) wants help with maths.
 

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I prefer codes with more of a distorted mathematical function to it with rules that make it more efficient to just let a computer run the encryption/decryption process.
 

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It just kind of started a thought, after watching the movie Enigma, about cryptology and different codes, and i came up with the following;

A|0,1,2,3,4
B|5,6
C|7,8,9
D|10,11,12,13
E|14,15,16,17,18
F|19,20,21,22,23,24,25
G|26,27,28,29,30,31,32
H|33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40
I|41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49
J|50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59
K|60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70
L|71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82
M|83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95
N|96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109
O|110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124
P|125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140
Q|141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152,153,15,155,156,157
R|158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172,173,174,175
S|176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194
T|195,196,197,198,199,200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214
U|215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235
V|236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249,250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257
W|258,259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278,279,280
X|281,282,283,284,285,286,287,288,289,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299,300,301,302,303,304
Y|305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321,322,323,324,325,326,327,328,329
Z|330,331,332,333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348,349,350,351,352,353,354,355

Having each character have its own series of numbers, which can make it harder and or easier to read the code.

for example, 33,41 = Hi , however you can also have 34,42 = Hi

any idea's on possible application of such a code?

These types of ciphers tend to be be reasonably easy to crack (esp. since you assigned numbers in order).

I think the code would have been stronger if you did a random assignment of numbers to letters according to Letter Frequency, and then run it through RSA encryption where you know the key. Pretty easy to implement and much harder to crack.
 

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:) Thanks athenian, I'm only bothered by it occasionally, like when my son (a definate T type) wants help with maths.

I use a lot of math, and look at a lot of charts with lots of numbers in them for various classes, and that big a block a numbers can still overwhelm.

So no issue. :nice:
 

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These types of ciphers tend to be be reasonably easy to crack (esp. since you assigned numbers in order).

I think the code would have been stronger if you did a random assignment of numbers to letters according to Letter Frequency, and then run it through RSA encryption where you know the key. Pretty easy to implement and much harder to crack.

I'd use a random set of 3 - 5 keys in different parts of the algorithm then append them to the message in a way that if you weren't looking for them you'd never get them.
 

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there are three main problems with this code.

1) inefficiency. Imagine trying to transmit this. You'd need to translate it to binary. And you already have triple digit numbers in decimal system. It would be increadibly unwieldy
2) no error correction. If one of the bits goes awry, you could end up with serious problems.
3) can only express roman letters. What about numbers? say you went to send a coded transmission giving coordinates for an air strike?

Granted, these problems are a lot bigger if you're dealing with codying theory, but even in cryptography, issues like error correction and inefficiency are still pretty paramount. Public Key cryptography based on really big prime numbers is still pretty awesome imo.
 

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Is that from the book Enigma?

I think it's from both the movie and the book. Not 100% sure on the that though. I've read/seen both however. Mainly because I can relate to words with the "thinking" side of myself and relate to the picture through the "feeling" side of myself. Because I actually do both. Still confused about my type. However INxJ, and because the F is more overwhelming(and yes I'll get corrected because I keep forgetting things...ugh...leave me alone *hides*).

:yes:
 
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