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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    What is the basis for assuming the existence of other civilizations like this? Why would we assume anything about their religions? Individual claims of universality aside, there are many common themes that run through our various religions. If there are indeed religions in these exo-planetary civilizations, I would not be surprised to see similar themes there.
    We know we are not going to find an Islamic ego-planet, or a Catholic eco-planet, or even a Buddhist exo-planet, and a New Age exp-planet is too much to ask for.

    And the belief that all religions share common elements is a doctrine of the New Age religion, this belief in ecumenism is not shared by any religion on Earth. We tried ecumenism, but is was soundly rejected, for instance, by the Greek Orthodox Church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    We know we are not going to find an Islamic ego-planet, or a Catholic eco-planet, or even a Buddhist exo-planet, and a New Age exp-planet is too much to ask for.

    And the belief that all religions share common elements is a doctrine of the New Age religion, this belief in ecumenism is not shared by any religion on Earth. We tried ecumenism, but is was soundly rejected, for instance, by the Greek Orthodox Church.
    The notion that religions share common elements is not a belief but an observation of scholars like Joseph Campbell who have made study of this a part of their life's work.
    Let us go together to that Sea of Stars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    The notion that religions share common elements is not a belief but an observation of scholars like Joseph Campbell who have made study of this a part of their life's work.
    Joseph Campbell was a mythologist, his aim was to make myth palatable to the secular mind. His aim was to address the loss of faith in religion, and replace it with a New Age mythology.

    He never asked whether a particular myth was true. And he succeeded in filling the space left by loss of faith in religion by entrancing us with scholarly myths.

    The sad fact is that myths are neither true nor false, rathe they are plausible, and make us feel good, and as if we understand the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Joseph Campbell was a mythologist, his aim was to make myth palatable to the secular mind. His aim was to address the loss of faith in religion, and replace it with a New Age mythology.

    He never asked whether a particular myth was true. And he succeeded in filling the space left by loss of faith in religion by entrancing us with scholarly myths.

    The sad fact is that myths are neither true nor false, rathe they are plausible, and make us feel good, and as if we understand the world.
    Campbell accepted the truth of the various myths, on a subjective level, and identified the common threads among them. I don't know if his aim was to increase understanding of the common humanity underlying the apparent diversity of spiritual thought, but his writing often had that effect.
    Let us go together to that Sea of Stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Campbell accepted the truth of the various myths, on a subjective level, and identified the common threads among them. I don't know if his aim was to increase understanding of the common humanity underlying the apparent diversity of spiritual thought, but his writing often had that effect.
    C'mon, do you really think civilisations on exo-planets will have the slightest interest in the parochial myths of Joseph Campbell.

    Civilisations on eco-planets will only be interested in what we have in common, and that is the facts of science.

    It is interesting that what we have in common is science, because science is universal, and the same anywhere in the universe, and on any planet, whereas religious myth is simply local.

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    With Space telescopes circling the Earth, and soon to be circling the Sun, and to be built on the Moon, more and more eco-planets will be discovered, some in the habitable zone around a star. And some with a civilisation.

    Fortunately we know the universe is the same wherever we look, and civilisations on eco-planets will see what we see. Their science will be exactly the same as our science, so science is universal.

    We are able to entrance ourselves with the suspension of disbelief in religion, mythology,, ideology, not to mention neurosis and psychosis, alcohol and drugs, sex and romance, not to mention our mobile phones. And there is no reason not to think a civilisation on an eco-planet, will have multiple ways of entrancing themselves.

    So we need to be fluent, not only in science, but in entrancement.

    We know what is universal in science, and we need to know what is universal in entrancement. A good place to start is, "Trance - From Magic to Technology", by Dennis Wier, click Trance: From Magic to Technology - PDF Free Download.

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    Exo-planets are so far away from us, not only in space, but also in time, we will never meet them face to face.

    This means we will never go to war with them, we will never intermarry, and we will never trade with them. We don't know what sense organs they have, nor how they organise their perceptions, however we do know they share the same science with us: the same physics, chemistry, biology, and cosmology.

    Unfortunately we have those who are entranced by the supernatural, and imagine aliens are visiting us. This sells civilisations on eco-planets short. We should bend our efforts to understand them and understand ourselves. After all, to them we are a civilisation on an Exo-planet called Earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Exo-planets are so far away from us, not only in space, but also in time, we will never meet them face to face.

    This means we will never go to war with them, we will never intermarry, and we will never trade with them. We don't know what sense organs they have, nor how they organise their perceptions, however we do know they share the same science with us: the same physics, chemistry, biology, and cosmology.

    Unfortunately we have those who are entranced by the supernatural, and imagine aliens are visiting us. This sells civilisations on eco-planets short. We should bend our efforts to understand them and understand ourselves. After all, to them we are a civilisation on an Exo-planet called Earth.
    Generational ships could carry us or them.

    There’s also a warp drive theory being examined by NASA, although we’re probably at least a century away from that being a viable technology. The energy required to power such a technology is probably astronomical

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Anaximander View Post
    Generational ships could carry us or them.

    There’s also a warp drive theory being examined by NASA, although we’re probably at least a century away from that being a viable technology. The energy required to power such a technology is probably astronomical
    I don't think we realise just how far away from us in space and time are exo-planets. So we fantasise about means of reaching them.

    We are primed with fantasies of the supernatural which we transfer inappropriately to exo-planets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    I don't think we realise just how far away from us in space and time are exo-planets. So we fantasise about means of reaching them.

    We are primed with fantasies of the supernatural which we transfer inappropriately to exo-planets.
    Some people in the ancient and medieval world fantasized about new islands and continents across a vast ocean, and while they may not have realized the distance and difficulty in reaching them with the technology available, eventually it became a reality

    In the 19th century, Jules Verne’s fantastical writings of reaching the moon seemed impossible, and yet his fantasy became a reality a century later.

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