Silicon Valley's Social Credit System

[Peter Deadpan]

How could it POSSIBLY beeeEeeeEeee that 80% of a society are contently living their lives the wrong way??!!???

 

[The Cat]

I do think you can get sane individuals, even if you have an insane society.

They dont last long without experiencing some sort of breakdown though.

You're an idealist aren't you?

 

[Lark]

How could it POSSIBLY beeeEeeeEeee that 80% of a society are contently living their lives the wrong way??!!???

That made me laugh

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You're an idealist aren't you?

Nawh, dont go in for that sort of metaphysics really.

 

[The Cat]

That made me laugh

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Nawh, dont go in for that sort of metaphysics really.

Then what sort do you go for really?

 

[Virtual ghost]

You're an idealist aren't you?

Nah, he is just European.

 

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This is why I found the book The Fear of Freedom and a lot of Erich Fromm's thinking about a social unconscious and social character to be so, so significant.

I discovered those books relatively late in life but I had noticed many of the things they pointed up in my experience up until then of religions, political ideologies, movements and people. I definitely had begun to believe that most of the examples of religion, ideology and movements I'd seen in the world where flags of convenience for something else.

Not, definitely not, in some sense of conspiracy theory. That's a different matter. Although not a different matter altogether because conspiracies where they exist (and I think its just straight up organised crime money more often than anything else) can be themselves a channel for the underlying social character.

The problem with this is blindspots, they exist, I've written about them on this forum before and dont especially care to go into them again but I have found huge blind spots to be exercised by individuals who believe that persecutions carried out to introduce or further their own goals are automatically justified or justifiable, kind of like it goes without saying. No one feels like taking a care about governments legislating opinion, the right to work, deliver services as a business owner etc. when it seems to be out of step with their opinions.

Anyone that is willing to surrender their personal freedom to one group of tyrants just to spite another group of them seems to possess a very warped sense of reality to me.

This idea of a government mandated morality system is about as unconstitutional as it can get. I neither want nor need a system telling me whether or not I’m a good human being and then rewarding or punishing me accordingly. Anyone that does support this madness is either part of the totalitarian regime employing it or is an absolute moron.

80% of the Chinese people like this system? I wonder what became of the 20% that stated that they didn’t?

 

[The Cat]

Anyone that is willing to surrender their personal freedom to one group of tyrants just to spite another group of them seems to possess a very warped sense of reality to me.

This idea of a government mandated morality system is about as unconstitutional as it can get. I neither want nor need a system telling me whether or not I’m a good human being and then rewarding or punishing me accordingly. Anyone that does support this madness is either part of the totalitarian regime employing it or is an absolute moron.

80% of the Chinese people like this system? I wonder what became of the 20% that stated that they didn’t?

organ transplants.

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or a number 11 with fava beans. Pick.

 

[The Cat]

Anyone that is willing to surrender their personal freedom to one group of tyrants just to spite another group of them seems to possess a very warped sense of reality to me.

This idea of a government mandated morality system is about as unconstitutional as it can get. I neither want nor need a system telling me whether or not I’m a good human being and then rewarding or punishing me accordingly. Anyone that does support this madness is either part of the totalitarian regime employing it or is an absolute moron.

80% of the Chinese people like this system? I wonder what became of the 20% that stated that they didn’t?

Also you sound like one of those people who gets burned at the stake or sent off for "reeducation" or "processing"

 

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Also you sound like one of those people who gets burned at the stake or sent off for "reeducation" or "processing"

I’m definitely one of those people.

 

[Luminous]

I am one of those people, too. Can't keep my mouth shut when it comes to some things. Hopefully we can stage an escape together [MENTION=33707]Population: 1[/MENTION]

 

[The Cat]

Beep Boop or whatever it is that drones say.

 

[Honeydew]

I think the best way to achieve something close to the libertarian socialist vision is to implement socialism within a democratic model.

The problem I have with democracy is that it allows ignorant, ill-informed people the same electoral influence as well-educated, socially enlightened, progressive voters. My hope is that when this social credit system is fully realized in the US, only people with a high enough score will be allowed to vote. Or if someone's score is below a certain threshold then their vote will only count for half a vote or something. That way we can marginalize the more fascist elements within our society and mitigate their power to propel us into a fourth reiche.

Well the means that any social credit system is going to implemented is liable to involve privately owned firms, maybe they'll be corporations or maybe some other sort of business, state's dont often develop things like that "in house" so to speak, often if they do they are poor product for a variety of reasons.

So I think exclusive ownership by private or public agencies is just unlikely, objectively, how it operates, ie data collection, data sharing, data storage, its use in crime fighting, public projects, any other consequences, are going to have to be legally controlled and regulated, so I'd see some sort of role for an ombudsman, industry codes of conduct, even litigation but accountability is the key thing.

Its not automatically accountable if its state owned or directed any more than privately owned and directed, democratic controls of the government by the public, or even politicians, are relatively weak, as is the opposite idea of consumer sovereignty.

As long as these private firms are subject to federal oversight and aren't merely serving their self-interests then I'm okay with that.

How could it POSSIBLY beeeEeeeEeee that 80% of a society are contently living their lives the wrong way??!!???

80% of Chinese citizens approve of social credit. Hong Kong is disaffected because they've been brainwashed by Trumpist propaganda, which wouldn't have happened if the Chinese government was regulating Hong Kong's media like the rest of China.

Anyone that is willing to surrender their personal freedom to one group of tyrants just to spite another group of them seems to possess a very warped sense of reality to me.

This idea of a government mandated morality system is about as unconstitutional as it can get. I neither want nor need a system telling me whether or not I’m a good human being and then rewarding or punishing me accordingly. Anyone that does support this madness is either part of the totalitarian regime employing it or is an absolute moron.

The constitution is an outdated document written by white supremacists.

 

[The Cat]

Mao? is that you?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Fascism is right-wing totalitarianism, like the Third Reiche. I'm proposing left-wing authoritarianism as the only viable alternative. Sometimes the only way to fight fire is with fire.

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Oh great, a tankie.

 

[Honeydew]

Mao? is that you?

"Trump is as destructive a person in this century as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were in the last century. He may be responsible for many more million deaths than they were. He needs to be contained, but he needs to be contained by attacking his policies, not his person."

- Allen Frances, Chairman emeritus of Duke University’s department of psychiatry and behavioral sciences

 

[Virtual ghost]

I am one of those people, too. Can't keep my mouth shut when it comes to some things. Hopefully we can stage an escape together [MENTION=33707]Population: 1[/MENTION]

And that is the main problem in this whole issue, democracy is evaporating everywhere and there really is nowhere to run. Which is exactly why serious mess is practically unavoidable with current trends.

The fact that most of the world blow up genuine education in critical thinking is coming to it's inevitable consequences.

 

[Lark]

And that is the main problem in this whole issue, democracy is evaporating everywhere and there really is nowhere to run. Which is exactly why serious mess is practically unavoidable with current trends.

The fact that most of the world blow up genuine education in critical thinking is coming to it's inevitable consequences.

History is full of this sort of thing though, its a sign of how good things have got that its possible to describe it as a crisis as opposed to simply calling it "Thursday", you know?

 

[The Cat]

how Quixotic; hang in there gang, those Giants will topple yet.

 

[Honeydew]

Oh great, a tankie.

If you must reduce me to labels, I prefer Antifa.

 

[Lark]

how Quixotic; hang in there gang, those Giants will topple yet.

Are you saying that resisting profiling tech or complaining about it is tilting at windmills?