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    Yeah, this shit is authoritarian as fuck, and highly impossible to enforce accurately. Just imagine if an AI bot was set to lower your score, every time you said a curse word. This shit isn't controlled by humans, and there is a lot of grey area. It will literally fuck over many normal people, and people are gonna be red pilled very quickly about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    There's a good film on Netflix about this BTW.

    Its called the Circle, I think it has Tom Hanks as a bad guy in it, sort of a Steve Jobs type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honeydew View Post
    At first I was put-off by the idea of China's social credit system, but according to this article, one survey found that 80% of Chinese citizens somewhat or strongly approve of social credit.
    80% of bank robbery hostages with guns to their heads strongly approve of bank robbing and the delivery of getaway choppers.

    If anyone was ever wondering why conservatives are so terrified of socialism, the OP of this thread should clear up why that is quite nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anticlimatic View Post
    80% of bank robbery hostages with guns to their heads strongly approve of bank robbing and the delivery of getaway choppers.

    If anyone was ever wondering why conservatives are so terrified of socialism, the OP of this thread should clear up why that is quite nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    I already did some reading on what China is doing and that is exactly what was behind my post. The ways to abuse or game this are endless and you will produce plenty of unhappy people.
    This isn't the way how you fight bad ideas.
    I think it is liable to go wrong for sure.

    Its interesting to hear how it has operated but the reality is that its also operating in an environment and with an accompanying culture which is pretty conformist and authoritarian. I'm not sure it would work at all in other cultures which are dissimilar.

    On the other hand its probably just a matter of time until entropy in the west drives people into embracing some kind of insane social creedo that supports coercion, punitive responses and stringent authoritarianism, the early signs of it are already there.

    When conservatives complain about "police states" its seldom the policing part that they've any problem with but the state part. I'd say its probably why its a private and workplace initiative in the US rather than a state one. There was some kind of discussion a long, long time ago on this forum about health care in the US where it is provided via private insurance as a work related perk, it dealt with some of this I think.

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    Any sort of social registry of this sort should scare people, whether it’s happening in business or government. USA needs a true libertarian socialist movement that recognizes this. Instead, the left is willing to tolerate authoritarianism in centralized state government, while the right is more willing to tolerate it in the private sector.

    We should be wary of it in any sector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I think it is liable to go wrong for sure.

    Its interesting to hear how it has operated but the reality is that its also operating in an environment and with an accompanying culture which is pretty conformist and authoritarian. I'm not sure it would work at all in other cultures which are dissimilar.


    Yes, but the catch is that this is a factor that can overwrite the culture, especially with time. Totalitarian systems in my part of the world did remake my culture a number of times. The whole practical implementation of totalitarian system is that you "rewrite history", what was before doesn't exist. Here you don't have a "back in 1934 there was a law that .... " arguments, here that was 4 political system back and this doesn't serve as an argument that impresses people. To be honest it bothers me when I see people here do this since there were so different circumstances back then.
    Actually now it is 2019 and archives of the communist era are still mostly closed, while the archives of our fascism are actually in the Bunker in Belgrade where Communists hide them so that they can't be researched. While what was before was destroyed in wars, revolutions and mismanagement for the most part. Therefore my county doesn't really have a official/settled history of 20th century, just as neighboring countries.


    So remaking cultures is something that is more than possible. Here people just can't see the Church in the same way as in the west since it was banned and priests were someone "bitches" for decades. So that original purity is lost since a few decades of anti-church opened quite a few obvious theological questions. If God is almighty and Church holy then what the hell was "that" half a century. You just can't go back 100% and culture got changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    Yes, but the catch is that this is a factor that can overwrite the culture, especially with time. Totalitarian systems in my part of the world did remake my culture a number of times. The whole practical implementation of totalitarian system is that you "rewrite history", what was before doesn't exist. Here you don't have a "back in 1934 there was a law that .... " arguments, here that was 4 political system back and this doesn't serve as an argument that impresses people. To be honest it bothers me when I see people here do this since there were so different circumstances back then.
    Actually now it is 2019 and archives of the communist era are still mostly closed, while the archives of our fascism are actually in the Bunker in Belgrade where Communists hide them so that they can't be researched. While what was before was destroyed in wars, revolutions and mismanagement for the most part. Therefore my county doesn't really have a official/settled history of 20th century, just as neighboring countries.


    So remaking cultures is something that is more than possible. Here people just can't see the Church in the same way as in the west since it was banned and priests were someone "bitches" for decades. So that original purity is lost since a few decades of anti-church opened quite a few obvious theological questions. If God is almighty and Church holy then what the hell was "that" half a century. You just can't go back 100% and culture got changed.
    Who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past.

    Exactly.
    So I am not truly thrilled about what was presented in OP thread. Introducing this suddenly is hard but if it is gradual through 5 to 10 years and it is giving some benefits to it ... you can introduce this everywhere in some form. As a matter of fact FB is actually pretty decent foundation for something like this and the most actually accepted it with time. However the irony of all this is that you need some kind of collectivism to stand up to this, since people as individuals are both vulnerable and open to suggestions. Which is why these kinds of ideas are dangerous since it is hard to keep them at bay.

    The main problem of technology is that it allows "prefect dictatorship".
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