you'd think that ESTP women would be girly considering they are Se doms like ESFP women but they're often tomboys or ladettes and if they are feminine then they're often Jersey Shore material like JWwow. A far cry from Helen Mirren or Meryl Streep.
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First of all, I don't really trust these lists because there's no way of knowing if they're actually those types. Unless a celebrity comes out and says 'I'm this type' I don't see how these can be trusted. Also, a lot of the time, celebrities have a stage persona and most of what they say and do are probably decided by someone else who manages their image.
ESTPs can be very girly. I lived with one for two years. She used to wear floral dresses and braid her hair all cute. She would spend an insane amount of money on clothes and make up and she'd get upset if someone made fun of her girlish appearance. ExTP girls can be very feminine. They have that tertiary Fe. It's different in ESTPs and ENTPs but you can't fail to notice it. Also enneagram plays a huge role in this as well.
Rolls eyes. That's actually what I use to say but you can't ignore the amount of tomboys that claim to be STPs and the amount of men's men that tend to be ESTx's.
What does that prove though? There could be other factors related to it. Maybe they are mistyped. I know that yama is right because I know a very girly ENTJ and one of my closest friend is a very cute ESTJ. On the other hand, I used to know a very feminine NTP guy who was so girly, people would make fun of him by calling him 'gay' And every single ESFx guy I've known are very masculine. I also know a very macho ISFJ guy.
There are way too many exceptions to be able to generalize people of any type.
It be that STP chicks are so rare that people are stereotyping them based on their male equivalent but I have been in the main ESTP group for years and i've heard people's stories about ESTP chicks and they're nearly always tomboys. Some people even flat out say the way to spot one is that she's a tomboy or she's butch, in this very site before people starting getting all PC.
So if I see a tomboy or a very butch person, should I just assume she's an ESTP without trying to type her myself? How do you type someone? By using the functions. Of course if I see a very enneagram 8ish person I can say, it's very unlikely that this person is an INFP but that doesn't mean they aren't. I'm pretty sure there's some INFP 8 out there. A good scientist always takes exceptions into account when coming to a conclusion.
Also I have observed that people often take on the stereotypical description of type. Like they read the type description and try to become that type. What makes you think these girls aren't doing the same? Or could it be that tomboyish girls get mistyped for ESTPs? So many things to be asked here.
Yama is being a passive-aggressive little B. Why not respond back to what I actually said instead of liking comments of people who agree with you?
No body is obliged to respond to you.
That makes no sense because SFP women are often seen as feminine and they often are feminine when you try to round them up.
This is so not true. I think SFP and STP women are often mistyped as each other. You have the tertiary Fe in ESTPs and the tertiary Te in ESFPs. In that case, wouldn't one expect the Te user to be more aggressive and assertive? Fe users are often concerned with people's opinions and stuff like that. I've lived with several ESFP girls before. Compared to the ESTP I lived with, I'd rather get into a fight with the ESTP that the ESFP because I'd have a better chance of winning.
I'm willing to bet that a lot of ESFP women you know are actually ESTPs and vice versa. Perhaps you should reevaluate how you type people.
its not what i use at all to judge ESTP. I would say the most tomboyish side of ESTP female is they enjoy activities that is more known as "for guys". I know one who is really to girly to be good at the "for guys" activities and is clutsy...but she loves it and it doesnt stop her. I can call her up and say "you wanna go do XYZ" and she is always up for it.
