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The Joker

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I also have a tendency to ask girls who like me fucked up questions like, "If I were to pray and ask god if you were the one for me, what would his answer be?" and also ask them blatantly judgemental questions to see if they shrivel up and die. Those who complain are dumped. Those who evade are dumped. And those who tell me to stop asking fucking stupid questions are adored.
 

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Hey... guys..

I think I saw the Joker in my shadow, too.




That means he must be an ISFJ. I think I'm really getting the hang of this.
 

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The Joker has one big goal. All he wants to show is "Gotham's true face", that people's morals are "a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble."
"When the chips are down, these civilized people, they'll eat each other."
It's like a variation of Dürrenmatt's play "The Visit" with the difference that the good in people wins at the end.
Doesn't that sound more like Fi than Ti? I know it says "ENFP" under my avatar, but to me he sounds more like a NF psycho (like Hitler btw).
 

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The Joker has one big goal. All he wants to show is "Gotham's true face", that people's morals are "a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble."
"When the chips are down, these civilized people, they'll eat each other."
It's like a variation of Dürrenmatt's play "The Visit" with the difference that the good in people wins at the end.
Doesn't that sound more like Fi than Ti? I know it says "ENFP" under my avatar, but to me he sounds more like a NF psycho (like Hitler btw).



I'll take that. He definitely has a twisted idealist view.


All I know is a sensor he is not.
 
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no. I'm talking about the unconscious functions. my understanding of the shadow is a bit off.

As characterized by Lenore Thomson -

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As for my own POV - I think there are too many similarities between -- for instance -- Te and Fe -- for them to be opposite counterparts. Even if -- for instance -- Fi doms hold the greatest distaste for Ti doms -- Ti and Fi are both introverted judging functions. It makes more sense, to me, that a couple of functions like Se and Ti or Ne and Ti would be shadow counterparts since they hold barely any semblance to each other while at the same time both being cognitive functions. But then the line begins to blur because there's no good reason Se would be more of a counterweight to Ti than Ne would be.

Which leads me to believe that a lot of commonly accepted theories about "shadow" pairings regarding typology are more or less hogwash. Or, at least, not as accurate as much as they are convenient for those who are trying to uncover their blindspots.
 

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He says a lot of "moral" things, but its all a game to him, and he could very well be using morality as just a cheesy reason to play sick games because he's bored.

the joker seems really passive aggressive...
 

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He says a lot of "moral" things, but its all a game to him, and he could very well be using morality as just a cheesy reason to play sick games because he's bored.

the joker seems really passive aggressive...

....None of which gives any real reason why he's a sensor. ;)
 

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I can see enfp for the joker specifically. But I think I also see E6 infj as well.
 
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He says a lot of "moral" things, but its all a game to him, and he could very well be using morality as just a cheesy reason to play sick games because he's bored.

the joker seems really passive aggressive...

It seems like a lot of the ENTPs I've met make a concerted effort to omit the fact that they probably subscribe to some sort of moral schema. They'd rather defer to what actions are logical, consistent, or even tasteful vs. distasteful.

Maybe morality holds connotations too binding to openly accept.

And if one does feel that way, then it stands to reason that they would turn morality into a personal horror for others.
 

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It seems like a lot of the ENTPs I've met make a concerted effort to omit the fact that they probably subscribe to some sort of moral schema. They'd rather defer to what actions are logical, consistent, or even tasteful vs. distasteful.

Maybe morality holds connotations too binding to openly accept.

And if one does feel that way, then it stands to reason that they would turn morality into a personal horror for others.


The whole "The Joker could be an ENTP" isn't working for this crowd. Just take the first intuitive type they'll concede to and be thankful ;)
 

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Could be an INFJ gone horribly wrong. That's my point. ;)

I can definitely see him as an unhealthy INFJ, but it seems more likely he's an ENxP.

Like I said though, as long as he's intuitive, I can dig it.
 

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You caught me ;)
 

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The whole "The Joker could be an ENTP" isn't working for this crowd. Just take the first intuitive type they'll concede to and be thankful ;)

I think there's at least 1 staunch defender of the ESTP theory who's posted in this thread, so ENTP may still be more of a convincing alternative to ENFP.

Why have I not said ENFP? I guess it's because if he was an unhealthy ENFP to the point of displaying his more callous characteristics, I don't think he would be functional enough to accomplish his goals. :shrug:
 
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