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Micheal J Fox MBTI type.

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he wants to get reactions out of people because he's a 7w8, not because he's ENTP (I'm an ENFP 7 and I love getting reactions out of people :devil: )

I don't think the reactions out of people thing determines his type but it might be a part of it. I don't think being an Etype 7 makes a difference.
 

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Terintino possibly may be ENTP. I'm gonna do some research. However, going back to our previous T vs. F scale, and how it fails: [MENTION=5684]Elfboy[/MENTION] is a clear example of why you can't use just T and F to decide whether someone is an ENFP vs. ENTP. When Elfboy takes a classic T vs. F scale Mbti test, he always tests NTJ. However, the man is clearly an Ne dom and clearly uses Fi<Te. Therefore he is ENFP.

I think people confuse functions with brain function which is completely different. Personality is just what makes a person who they are and how they act.
 

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I'm unable to find a motivation to care what type MJF is.
 

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How can you possibly believe that a strong tertiary function can not make someone look like another personality? Take a look at the ENFP users "Chipps" and "MuChApArAdOx" on personalitycafe for instance. Both of them are really ENFP's with strong Te, but yet they both clearly look like ENTJ's.

What does "clearly look like" mean?

How does [MENTION=5684]Elfboy[/MENTION] "clearly look like" an ENFP?
 

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I think people confuse functions with brain function which is completely different. Personality is just what makes a person who they are and how they act.

No. There is literally a scientist that is named "Dario Nardi" that has literally mapped out all the cognitive functions and has created evidence for them through brain scans. For God sake mbti theory woudn't have even been created if it weren't for Jungian cognitive functional theory.

What does "clearly look like" mean?

How does [MENTION=5684]Elfboy[/MENTION] "clearly look like" an ENFP?

1. He can't use Ti for shit.

2. He hates Ti.

3. He hates Fe and his Fe is pretty lousy.

4. He has a strong sense of backbone, but his sense of backbone according to him comes from his strong personal beliefs. He says that he constantly reflects on how he feels about things. He says that his personal beliefs mean everything to him, and he would damn near die for them and wouldn't break one of his values for anyone. Plus, his values are completely set in stone and don't change (Fi<Te) as opposed to Ti<Fe moral values that are generally more flexible and not set in stone. He also reinforces these moral values with Te and basically shuts down anyone that impedes on his values.

5. He is not analytical at all like a Ti user, and in fact thinks that Ti is a waste of time. He says that Ti causes "analysis paralysis", wastes too much time, and isn't efficient. This an indication of a Te user.

6. He doesn't care if what he believes makes logical sense and makes most of his decisions based on subjective Fi values as well.
 

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1. He can't use Ti for shit.

So he's an ENFJ?

2. He hates Ti.

ENFJ again?

3. He hates Fe and his Fe is pretty lousy.

Oh! Ummm... enTj then?

4. He has a strong sense of backbone, but his sense of backbone according to him comes from his strong personal beliefs. He says that he constantly reflects on how he feels about things. He says that his personal beliefs mean everything to him, and he would damn near die for them and wouldn't break one of his values for anyone. Plus, his values are completely set in stone and don't change (Fi<Te) as opposed to Ti<Fe moral values that are generally more flexible and not set in stone. He also reinforces these moral values with Te and basically shuts down anyone that impedes on his values.

What is a "strong sense of backbone?" Either you have a strong backbone, or you don't.

We all value things. Te has moral values, for sure. It's just that they sometimes make themselves the exception to their own rule (see Psychological Types on the extraverted thinking function).

Does [MENTION=5684]Elfboy[/MENTION] sometimes make himself the exception to his rule?


5. He is not analytical at all like a Ti user, and in fact thinks that Ti is a waste of time. He says that Ti causes "analysis paralysis", wastes too much time, and isn't efficient. This an indication of a Te user.

That's true. But Te also (as I have seen first-hand) relies on Ti to provide information they need. ESTJ dislikes when the information provided is overly abstract; ENTJ can be side-tracked by overly abstract information. But they both use it, and need it, to make things happen.

6. He doesn't care if what he believes makes logical sense and makes most of his decisions based on subjective Fi values as well.

In what way does a self-labeled semi-sociopath use subjective moral values?
 

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[MENTION=13589]Mal+[/MENTION]

So what type do you think he is then?
 

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[MENTION=13589]Mal+[/MENTION]

So what type do you think he is then?
 

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So what type do you think he is then?

ENTJ with inferior Feeling making its presence felt. That inferior Feeling function could be either Fi or Fe. Either way, the conscious manifestation of unconscious, repressed functions appears as a distorted use of those functions. For example, [MENTION=5684]Elfboy[/MENTION] states he likes to play one person against another.
 

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ENTJ with inferior Feeling making its presence felt. That inferior Feeling function could be either Fi or Fe. Either way, the conscious manifestation of unconscious, repressed functions appears as a distorted use of those functions. For example, [MENTION=5684]Elfboy[/MENTION] states he likes to play one person against another.

That's ridiculous. The ENTJ has Te as it's first function. The way that the ENTJ comes to conclusion is first to look at the facts and then to reach it's decision based on those facts. The ENTJ doesn't just pick things up through intuition first. Elfboy never comes to a conclusion this way, he picks things up through intuition first and then through Fi. He rarely ever checks to see if his conclusions are congruent with the evidence. He even has publicly stated that he doesn't care if the conclusions that he has come to make logical sense or not. What ENTJ says this?
 

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That's ridiculous. The ENTJ has Te as it's first function. The way that the ENTJ comes to conclusion is first to look at the facts and then to reach it's decision based on those facts. The ENTJ doesn't just pick things up through intuition first. Elfboy never comes to a conclusion this way, he picks things up through intuition first and then through Fi. He rarely ever checks to see if his conclusions are congruent with the evidence. He even has publicly stated that he doesn't care if the conclusions that he has come to make logical sense or not. What ENTJ says this?

If the ENTJ doesn't pick things up through intuition first, then why is it eNtj? These perceiving functions are how things are "picked up," as you put it.
 

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If the ENTJ doesn't pick things up through intuition first, then why is it eNtj? These perceiving functions are how things are "picked up," as you put it.

For the INTJ, they pick up things first through their intuition then confirm what they have picked up with their intuition by checking it with facts, experts in the field, evidence, etc, because they are intuition dominant. The ENTJ on the hand will first look at the experts in field, the evidence, the facts, and what not and will make their decisions based on that first (Te dom) and then let their intuition confirm these beliefs. In other words it's Ni<Te vs. Te<Ni.
 

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For the INTJ, they pick up things first through their intuition then confirm what they have picked up with their intuition by checking it with facts, experts in the field, evidence, etc, because they are intuition dominant. The ENTJ on the hand will first look at the experts in field, the evidence, the facts, and what not and will make their decisions based on that first (Te dom) and then let their intuition confirm these beliefs. In other words it's Ni<Te vs. Te<Ni.

First of all, you should be aware that you're using the < backwards, if Ni is greater than Te in the first case.

Second, Intuition dominants don't find it necessary to check their facts with experts. They consider their intuitions to be superior - Ni> (greater than) everything else. INTJs are the intellectual-authority in their field of interest.

Third, the ENTJ will look for evidence that supports their a-priori Te rules in making a decision. The evidence that fails to agree with those rules is discounted - unless their own personal intuition gives them the gut feeling that they are wrong. But this feeling can never come from any outside authority, the ENTJ is the power-authority on all matters affecting him or her.
 

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No. There is literally a scientist that is named "Dario Nardi" that has literally mapped out all the cognitive functions and has created evidence for them through brain scans. For God sake mbti theory woudn't have even been created if it weren't for Jungian cognitive functional theory.

So why don't we study MBTI in school why isn't it mentioned in any neuroscience or psychology classes? There is very little evidence that links MBTI functions to brain function. It is a personality theory it has nothing to do with how the brain functions.You would have to map out the brain and specify which function correlates to brain function.
 

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No. There is literally a scientist that is named "Dario Nardi" that has literally mapped out all the cognitive functions and has created evidence for them through brain scans. For God sake mbti theory woudn't have even been created if it weren't for Jungian cognitive functional theory.



1. He can't use Ti for shit.

2. He hates Ti.

3. He hates Fe and his Fe is pretty lousy.

By the way, this hateful usage of typology is little else than evil. Typology is to gain positive understanding of others - not to understand why I hate someone and then use as an excuse to continue hating.
 

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(Insert Victor's spiel about how MBTI is evil because it's based off of Carl Jung who was alive at the same time as Hitler and spoke the same language.)

That's an excellent point regarding the value of typology, however. It's good for trying to understand people who think differently than we do. Granted, I think there are some people who I will always have a hard time understanding. :)
 

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ESFP? He's a sensor, a feeler and an extrovert.
 

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First of all, you should be aware that you're using the < backwards, if Ni is greater than Te in the first case.

Second, Intuition dominants don't find it necessary to check their facts with experts. They consider their intuitions to be superior - Ni> (greater than) everything else. INTJs are the intellectual-authority in their field of interest.

Third, the ENTJ will look for evidence that supports their a-priori Te rules in making a decision. The evidence that fails to agree with those rules is discounted - unless their own personal intuition gives them the gut feeling that they are wrong. But this feeling can never come from any outside authority, the ENTJ is the power-authority on all matters affecting him or her.

This basically what I just said.

So why don't we study MBTI in school why isn't it mentioned in any neuroscience or psychology classes? There is very little evidence that links MBTI functions to brain function. It is a personality theory it has nothing to do with how the brain functions.You would have to map out the brain and specify which function correlates to brain function.

Bullshit. There is actually a scientist named Dario Nardi that has actually hooked people up to a brain scan and seen these functions at work.
 
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