Eric B
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Scrappy is obviously a very archetypal figure for both me as well as the multitudes of TV fans who for some reason hate him so much.
I was wondering which exact archetype he fit for me, and looked for it through the associated functions.
He seems like a clear ExTP. Dominant Ne or Se with Thinking. He can be seen as somewhat of a Trickster figure; much like Gleek from the Superfriends, who I use to represent the Trickster for me.
But then that would be a negative projection, and he is clearly a positive figure for me.
But then I realize the archetypes become complexes, which are projected onto the other person. So it's not about what their type really is; it's how you see them.
So I recently realize that Scrappy fits a heroic role for me. And it's something that I to a certain extent would like to be (persona). And the hero/persona will be associated with Ti. He already himself seems to have an auxiliary Ti. (as well as a tertiary Fe).
While I did not think much of him when he first came out (just another youg sidekick added to shows, like Baby Plasticman, or Godzookey), as I began looking back at the whole series, he was the great equalizer.
Initially, the splitup teams were symmetrical, with Fred and Daphne on one team, and Shaggy and Velma on the other. Scooby followed Shaggy, of course. As time went on, Fred began increasingly taking both of the girls, leaving Shaggy and Scooby alone, and eventually, only Fred and the girls were finding the clues, while Shaggy and Scooby were often left to be chased by the monster, as the comedy relief. Initially, they were more involved in the mystery. Especially when Velma was with them. Later on, they were totally out of it. It no longer seemed to be the same series. (Then there were other cosmetic changes, such as background music, Velma's voice changing, and the weird types of monsters they began using. Like one looking like a KISS member!).
And identifying with Shaggy, I was dissapointed in seeing Freddy get both of the girls all the time.
So this is the way it was in the years right before Scrappy. Some guest stars or cousin Scooby Dum would occasionally accompany Shaggy and Scooby. But Scrappy was a permanent partner for them, and provided the balance they needed to keep them involved in the case. (when alone, all Scooby and Shaggy do is try to escape).
In the second season, Scrappy was improved greatly, with a new voice and more able to actually take care of himself and also, the others. At the same time, Fred and the girls (who had by then became spectators anyway), and the mystery format (which became the less important background for chase comedy, and both of these points even before Scrappy arrived) were dropped in favor of short slapstick comedies, very similar to the old Looney Tunes, MGM, 60's Hanna Barbera, etc.
(It should be noted that the character's developer Mark Evanier would ultimately come forth and mention that he patterned him after Henery Hawk of the Looney Tunes).
So Scrappy could really jump up and "splat" these bully characters who aggressively attacked Scooby for various reasons. A lot of other hapless cartoon characters could have used a defender like that.
So he in two ways created a technical balance that I admired, as well as being literally heroic. A far cry from the way he has been portrayed the past decade, especially in the first live action movie.
So for the haters, he most clearly is fitting a Demonic projection. From all the hatred spewed onto him in the early internet (such as jumptheshark.com, Usenet and old Scooby fansites), with people claiming as much as him ruining their childhood TV watching; to the portrayal in the movie and in some Cartoon Network productions; to the most recent jab of "Mysteries Incorporated" members agreeing never to mention him again on the latest series.
It all clearly has Demon written all over it: and it's purely how people see him, in total contrast to the way his character actually was in the show.
Inasmuch as what he is most hated for is supposedly breaking up the gang; plus his impulsive antics and loud aggressiveness, it seems the Demonic projection is being seen through the lens of Se and Fe. This might give us a clue, that many of the detractors are ExTJ's and ENxP's.
And he does also make a good Trickster (bad child), implicating possible IxTJ's and INxP's. (I know of one fellow cartoon fan, who once laid down a lengthy argument of why Scrappy was so annoying; often getting the facts mixed up along the way, like the myth that Scrappy "killed the show", and he seems like a clear fellow INTP. He had focused on Scrappy's "brattiness", even in later years (13 Ghosts), when most will acknowledge that Scrappy had mellowed greatly. So while I project hero/persona Ti onto him, this other guy projects Trickster Se).
He has pretty much generated a new archetype, called "the Scrappy", as you can see on TVTropes. Another name for it is "The Cousin Oliver", after a similar new character added to the later Brady Bunch series. But unlike that show, or Happy Days after Fonz literally "jumped the shark", the Scooby series continued strong for nearly a decade, rather than dying out. Yet the haters see the show as being "killed" by him!
So what is everyone else's take on this? Do these descriptions of archetypes regarding him resonate with you, or what you see in others' reactions?
I was wondering which exact archetype he fit for me, and looked for it through the associated functions.
He seems like a clear ExTP. Dominant Ne or Se with Thinking. He can be seen as somewhat of a Trickster figure; much like Gleek from the Superfriends, who I use to represent the Trickster for me.
But then that would be a negative projection, and he is clearly a positive figure for me.
But then I realize the archetypes become complexes, which are projected onto the other person. So it's not about what their type really is; it's how you see them.
So I recently realize that Scrappy fits a heroic role for me. And it's something that I to a certain extent would like to be (persona). And the hero/persona will be associated with Ti. He already himself seems to have an auxiliary Ti. (as well as a tertiary Fe).
While I did not think much of him when he first came out (just another youg sidekick added to shows, like Baby Plasticman, or Godzookey), as I began looking back at the whole series, he was the great equalizer.
Initially, the splitup teams were symmetrical, with Fred and Daphne on one team, and Shaggy and Velma on the other. Scooby followed Shaggy, of course. As time went on, Fred began increasingly taking both of the girls, leaving Shaggy and Scooby alone, and eventually, only Fred and the girls were finding the clues, while Shaggy and Scooby were often left to be chased by the monster, as the comedy relief. Initially, they were more involved in the mystery. Especially when Velma was with them. Later on, they were totally out of it. It no longer seemed to be the same series. (Then there were other cosmetic changes, such as background music, Velma's voice changing, and the weird types of monsters they began using. Like one looking like a KISS member!).
And identifying with Shaggy, I was dissapointed in seeing Freddy get both of the girls all the time.
So this is the way it was in the years right before Scrappy. Some guest stars or cousin Scooby Dum would occasionally accompany Shaggy and Scooby. But Scrappy was a permanent partner for them, and provided the balance they needed to keep them involved in the case. (when alone, all Scooby and Shaggy do is try to escape).
In the second season, Scrappy was improved greatly, with a new voice and more able to actually take care of himself and also, the others. At the same time, Fred and the girls (who had by then became spectators anyway), and the mystery format (which became the less important background for chase comedy, and both of these points even before Scrappy arrived) were dropped in favor of short slapstick comedies, very similar to the old Looney Tunes, MGM, 60's Hanna Barbera, etc.
(It should be noted that the character's developer Mark Evanier would ultimately come forth and mention that he patterned him after Henery Hawk of the Looney Tunes).
So Scrappy could really jump up and "splat" these bully characters who aggressively attacked Scooby for various reasons. A lot of other hapless cartoon characters could have used a defender like that.
So he in two ways created a technical balance that I admired, as well as being literally heroic. A far cry from the way he has been portrayed the past decade, especially in the first live action movie.
So for the haters, he most clearly is fitting a Demonic projection. From all the hatred spewed onto him in the early internet (such as jumptheshark.com, Usenet and old Scooby fansites), with people claiming as much as him ruining their childhood TV watching; to the portrayal in the movie and in some Cartoon Network productions; to the most recent jab of "Mysteries Incorporated" members agreeing never to mention him again on the latest series.
It all clearly has Demon written all over it: and it's purely how people see him, in total contrast to the way his character actually was in the show.
Inasmuch as what he is most hated for is supposedly breaking up the gang; plus his impulsive antics and loud aggressiveness, it seems the Demonic projection is being seen through the lens of Se and Fe. This might give us a clue, that many of the detractors are ExTJ's and ENxP's.
And he does also make a good Trickster (bad child), implicating possible IxTJ's and INxP's. (I know of one fellow cartoon fan, who once laid down a lengthy argument of why Scrappy was so annoying; often getting the facts mixed up along the way, like the myth that Scrappy "killed the show", and he seems like a clear fellow INTP. He had focused on Scrappy's "brattiness", even in later years (13 Ghosts), when most will acknowledge that Scrappy had mellowed greatly. So while I project hero/persona Ti onto him, this other guy projects Trickster Se).
He has pretty much generated a new archetype, called "the Scrappy", as you can see on TVTropes. Another name for it is "The Cousin Oliver", after a similar new character added to the later Brady Bunch series. But unlike that show, or Happy Days after Fonz literally "jumped the shark", the Scooby series continued strong for nearly a decade, rather than dying out. Yet the haters see the show as being "killed" by him!
So what is everyone else's take on this? Do these descriptions of archetypes regarding him resonate with you, or what you see in others' reactions?