Speed Gavroche
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I think she's 6w5 Sp/Sx.
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I think she's 6w5 Sp/Sx.
KDude
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I would say she's a 4 too. I actually watched Eclipse 
It had some funny moments though..
Bella Swan: This wasn't a choice between you and Jacob. It was between who I should be and who I am. I've always felt out of step. Like literally stumbling through my life. I've never felt normal, because I'm not normal, and I don't wanna be. I've had to face death and loss and pain in your world, but I've also never felt stronger, like more real, more myself, because it's my world too. It's where I belong.
Edward Cullen: So it's not just about me?
Bella Swan: No.
[pause]
Bella Swan: Sorry...
If you type Lydia a 4, then Bella's almost the same. One's kind of negative, but both take pride in their estrangement, and even further symbolize it by identifying with ghosts and vampires. I don't know what to say about you typing him a 3 either. The Achiever? All he wants to achieve is love and be one of the good guys.. that's not 3. I'm not sure what he is (more of a 6 than she is), but 3's are ambitious in a career/skill oriented sense, and try to live up to some external standard in one way or another - yet lose touch with what their personal needs are. It's more akin to someone who needs to reach the top of a corporate ladder or get the best grades or a competitive athlete who pushes themselves for admiration or popularity from others it produces. Not exactly Edward Cullen territory.. it'd be some random football star quarterback in their highschool, or the class president, who goes home at nights worried that their parents will shut them out if they aren't the best of the best. Stephanie Meyers didn't write a character like that, but we can assume that every highschool has a few.
The problem is that, in the headlong rush to achieve whatever they believe will make them more valuable, Threes can become so alienated from themselves that they no longer know what they truly want, or what their real feelings or interests are. In this state, they are easy prey to self–deception, deceit, and falseness of all kinds. Thus, the deeper problem is that their search for a way to be valued increasingly takes them further away from their own Essential Self with its core of real value. From their earliest years, as Threes become dependent on receiving attention from others and in pursuing the values that others reward, they gradually lose touch with themselves. Step by step, their own inner core, their “heart’s desire,†is left behind until they no longer recognize it.
It had some funny moments though..Bella Swan: This wasn't a choice between you and Jacob. It was between who I should be and who I am. I've always felt out of step. Like literally stumbling through my life. I've never felt normal, because I'm not normal, and I don't wanna be. I've had to face death and loss and pain in your world, but I've also never felt stronger, like more real, more myself, because it's my world too. It's where I belong.
Edward Cullen: So it's not just about me?
Bella Swan: No.
[pause]
Bella Swan: Sorry...
If you type Lydia a 4, then Bella's almost the same. One's kind of negative, but both take pride in their estrangement, and even further symbolize it by identifying with ghosts and vampires. I don't know what to say about you typing him a 3 either. The Achiever? All he wants to achieve is love and be one of the good guys.. that's not 3. I'm not sure what he is (more of a 6 than she is), but 3's are ambitious in a career/skill oriented sense, and try to live up to some external standard in one way or another - yet lose touch with what their personal needs are. It's more akin to someone who needs to reach the top of a corporate ladder or get the best grades or a competitive athlete who pushes themselves for admiration or popularity from others it produces. Not exactly Edward Cullen territory.. it'd be some random football star quarterback in their highschool, or the class president, who goes home at nights worried that their parents will shut them out if they aren't the best of the best. Stephanie Meyers didn't write a character like that, but we can assume that every highschool has a few.
The problem is that, in the headlong rush to achieve whatever they believe will make them more valuable, Threes can become so alienated from themselves that they no longer know what they truly want, or what their real feelings or interests are. In this state, they are easy prey to self–deception, deceit, and falseness of all kinds. Thus, the deeper problem is that their search for a way to be valued increasingly takes them further away from their own Essential Self with its core of real value. From their earliest years, as Threes become dependent on receiving attention from others and in pursuing the values that others reward, they gradually lose touch with themselves. Step by step, their own inner core, their “heart’s desire,†is left behind until they no longer recognize it.
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I think Oscar Benton from Polanski's Bitter Moon is a pretty good example of an unhealthy 4w5. The guy lives his life in accordance to his passions, but eventually becomes a devious cynic trapped in a downright pathological relationship. Ouch.
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I just watched Twilight this week for the first time... and though Kristen Stewart kind of makes me cringe at times, I really enjoyed Bella's character. She's a bit of a damsel at times, but I really love the way the character thinks. Very, very, ISFP 4w5... and very SX. I'd lean towards INFP with Edward, though the enneagram... not sure. Not familiar enough with enneagram yet.I would say she's a 4 too. I actually watched Eclipse
Bella Swan: This wasn't a choice between you and Jacob. It was between who I should be and who I am. I've always felt out of step. Like literally stumbling through my life. I've never felt normal, because I'm not normal, and I don't wanna be. I've had to face death and loss and pain in your world, but I've also never felt stronger, like more real, more myself, because it's my world too. It's where I belong.
Edward Cullen: So it's not just about me?
Bella Swan: No.
[pause]
Bella Swan: Sorry...
Other 4w5's....
Anais Nin. INFP
Diane Arbus. ISFP
Sunny Ghost
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Just googled and found this list:
However, Angelina Jolie is soooo ISTP and so from my understanding, not a 4.
Hmm... I was just browsing an INFP list and wondered: Would Albert Camus make the 4w5 list? Tim Burton? Fiona Apple? Jake Gyllenhal?
However, Angelina Jolie is soooo ISTP and so from my understanding, not a 4.
Hmm... I was just browsing an INFP list and wondered: Would Albert Camus make the 4w5 list? Tim Burton? Fiona Apple? Jake Gyllenhal?
Speed Gavroche
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Angelina Jolie: 6w7
Bette Davis: 8w7
Billie Holliday: 3w4
Björk: 5w4
Sheryl Crow: 9w8
Edith Piaf: 4w3
Jack Kerouac: 6w5
Janis Joplin: 4w3
Jim Morrison: 5w4
Johnny Depp: 4w3
Judy Garland: 4w3
Kate Winslett: 7w8
Maria Callas: 4w3
Michael Jackson: 4w3
Prince: 4w3
