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Famous Generals

Franz

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Rommel ENTP
Patton ESTJ
Montgomery ESTJ
Patraeus ISTJ (no idea why people think he is E)
Wesley Clark ESTP
 

Edgar

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Dude... both Rommel and Patton were ESTPs.

Read Keirsey if you're having trouble figuring it out yourself.
 

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Which book are you referring to?

By the way, Keirsey gets a lot of typings wrong. (Bill Clinton as an S)
 

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You can look up a lot of his stuff on his website.

Bill Clinton is an ESFP.
Although I do disagree with Keirsey's assertion of Obama being an INTJ. I think Obama is an F.
 

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Clinton is very much an N, at least by the MBTI-system. (There are some minor discrepandencies between Keirsey and the MBTI.)

But none the less, if you yourself think Keirsey is wrong, then using him as proof can be only preliminary proof.

I'll look up his arguments for Rommel and Patton.
 

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Ok, so he lists Rommel as an ISTP along with Woody Allen (whom I deem to be INFP). In eigther case, there are no arguments :(
 

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Clinton is very much an N, at least by the MBTI-system. (There are some minor discrepandencies between Keirsey and the MBTI.)

But none the less, if you yourself think Keirsey is wrong, then using him as proof can be only preliminary proof.

I didn't say "if Keirsey says so then it is so." I just agreed with him on a certain topic so I referred you to him. Unfortunately, I can't remember exactly which of his books I read that in, though.

From what I remember about Rommel's biography, he had a very STP commanding style. He would show up on the battlefield and wait for opportunities to present themselves. He didn't seem to have a grand-scheme-system of operation that NTPs are so fond of.
 

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Ya, I get you with Rommel. Its possible that he was ESTP or ISTP.

*looking through his letters*
 

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Clinton is an ENFP.

Patton was ESTP.
 

Franz

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Indeed Clinton is an ENFP.

Now if Patton is an ESTP why was he so sensitive to being made fun of?
 

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Ok, Rommel is most likely some kind of STP. But which STP?
 

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Indeed Clinton is an ENFP.

Now if Patton is an ESTP why was he so sensitive to being made fun of?

All types can have sore spots. I've noticed that xSTP men always get defensive when someone questions their masculinity.

One of Pattons famous quotes is "Don't fall in love with your plan", and he was always a pain the ass to his superiors. Patton didn't seem to care much about power and politics. He just relished a good fight. Sounds like an ESTP to me.

Patton reminds of Alexander the Great, who cried when there was nothing else to conquer and then drank himself to death.
 

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:cheese: if you make fun of the wrong topic, I'll punch you in the nose! :)

(for a note on ESTPs)
 

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Indeed Clinton is an ENFP.

Bullshit. Bill Clinton never struck me as trying to find something better than what he managed to make happen, a penultimate failure of NFs. I think ESFP is more spot on for my favorite President. :yes:

Now if Patton is an ESTP why was he so sensitive to being made fun of?

Because he took himself seriously, and like all good men had a mean streak? :rolli:

Ok, Rommel is most likely some kind of STP. But which STP?

ESTP.

All types can have sore spots. I've noticed that xSTP men always get defensive when someone questions their masculinity.

Actions speak louder than words. Anyone who has ever been stupid enough to try that on me has regretted it. Sounds like xSTP behavior to me. Good job, Brother Edgar.

One of Pattons famous quotes is "Don't fall in love with your plan", and he was always a pain the ass to his superiors. Patton didn't seem to care much about power and politics. He just relished a good fight. Sounds like an ESTP to me.

Fantastic. I wish you edited Keirsy's type descriptions. You're more honest.

Patton reminds of Alexander the Great, who cried when there was nothing else to conquer and then drank himself to death.

No comment, not into self incrimination. :whistling:

:cheese: if you make fun of the wrong topic, I'll punch you in the nose! :)

(for a note on ESTPs)

THAT - is some serious ESTP shit going on! :yim_rolling_on_the_
 

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I didn't realize ESTPs were susceptible to cooky reincarnation shit and beating on shell-shocked soldiers.
 

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Rommel ENTP
Patton ESTJ
Montgomery ESTJ
Patraeus ISTJ (no idea why people think he is E)
Wesley Clark ESTP


Rommel? P? Come on.
The guy is the biggest ENTJ out there. :shock:
Big J, but with the "fingerspitzegefuehl" to improvise and master high level tactics and low level strategy.

I might actually agree that patton might be an ESTJ, Montgomery definitely and the others I can't have a stron opinion about.
 
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Manstein is usually upheld as the greatest German general of the war. Rommel's abilities as a commander have been overrated.

I would be interested in hear what type Guderain was.
 

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To add:

Julius Caesar - ENTJ
Napoleon Bonaparte - ENTJ
Gebhard von Blücher - EXTJ
Georgy Zhukov - ENTJ
Robert E. Lee - ENTJ (him being pretty pious made him a bit milder than usual, but it's there)
George Washington - ESTJ
Sun Tzu - INTJ
William the Conqueror - ENTJ
Ṣalāḥ ad-Dīn Yūsuf ibn Ayyūb (Saladin) - INTJ
Baybars - ESTJ
Gaius Marius - ESTJ
Carl XII of Sweden - INTJ
Joachim Murat (guy in my avatar) - XNTJ
Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte - ENTJ
Arthur Wellesley 1st Duke of Wellington - ENTJ





There is not a coincedence that the ENTJ is called the fieldmarshal.
Great field commanders are often ENTJs or ESTJs, the great, logical organizers.
 

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Manstein is usually upheld as the greatest German general of the war. Rommel's abilities as a commander have been overrated.

I would be interested in hear what type Guderain was.

I've read some about Guderian, he strikes me as some sort of ESTJ.
Really talented general, as well.
 
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