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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    All of that rests upon an arbitrary assumption that puzzle-solving ability is representative of general intelligence.

    Why should that be the case?
    Agreed. To an extent.

    The issue is that, in life, for the benefit of oneself and the general public, problem solving is a major issue.

    I'm not trying to deny or degrade other types of intelligence.

    They exist and are very useful.

    But a dog can have very high social intelligence.

    He, however, is [i]not[i/] gunna figure out a logical syllogism, let alone discover the theory of relativity.

    There's a reason Aristotle called us the "rational" animal.

    That "rationality", or "reason", is generally strongest in NTs.

    And that's what those tests (attempt to) test for.

    It's really that simple.
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    ^ That's called Ni being able to, as Wildcat put it, "see things in context".
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    ^ That's called Ni being able to, as Wildcat put it, "see things in context".
    I would say that the true test of intelligence would be being able to understand what Ne, Ni, Se and Si mean when they're in conversation... some people can't keep up with the joys of Se

    *remembers type*

    y'all are dumbasses!
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    y'all are dumbasses!
    Mebbe, but we dance better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Agreed. To an extent.

    The issue is that, in life, for the benefit of oneself and the general public, problem solving is a major issue.

    I'm not trying to deny or degrade other types of intelligence.

    They exist and are very useful.

    But a dog can have very high social intelligence.

    He, however, is [i]not[i/] gunna figure out a logical syllogism, let alone discover the theory of relativity.

    There's a reason Aristotle called us the "rational" animal.

    That "rationality", or "reason", is generally strongest in NTs.

    And that's what those tests (attempt to) test for.

    It's really that simple.
    You forget that one problem that faces an P type is way to much seriousness. Until you acknowledge that problem you will never see our greatness unfortunately
    Im out, its been fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
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    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    oh no! now I don't WANT to find the pot of "gold" at the end of the rainbow! :horor:

    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    Mebbe, but we dance better.
    when I've taken over the world there will be no dancing *tents fingers evilly*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    Does unicorn porn count as porn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    It's no surprise that Ns outperform Ss in these areas. What's the significance? And who says N-oriented tasks are more representative of true giftedness than S-oriented ones?
    I agree with you sim.

    They measure a sub-set of skills that we loosely label as academic intelligence.

    Those statistics demonstrate that those we label as academically gifted have a higher instance of self-identifying with certain MBTI types. It's circular when you think about it ... the tests, derived from academia, appeal to academia, measure the same academia.

    IQ tests are "certainly very reliable, and do in fact relate well to success in school and western society -- i.e. the culture and institutions that share the values of these tests." (prev source)

    They have merit, but not without context.

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    There are many difficulties trying to measure intelligence; for example as alluded to above, cultural variables.

    Here's a farm IQ test for you peeps:

    1. How many days does it take for a chicken egg to hatch?
    2. What color is a Holstein cow?
    3. How many stomachs does a cow have?
    4. Does a bull have a cud?
    5. Is a rooster necessary for a hen to lay eggs?

    The answers: 21; black and white; 4; yes; and no, unless you want fertilized eggs.

    These are easy questions if you grew up on a farm! But you'll be sneaking off to Google to look them up if you didn't.

    So it is with IQ tests - some assume a knowledge-base which introduces a variety of biases dependent upon your personal history. And although it is widely accepted that tests in use today try to be as culturally neutral as possible, there are many other biases that are difficult to dispel.

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    The point: so you do an IQ test and are 130+. Or the school counsellors say you are gifted. It doesn't mean you'll be any more successful or happier in life than those who are closer to the top of the bell curve. And that's not speculation.

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    When people see some things as good,
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