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    ⒺⓉⒷ Eric B's Avatar
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    Everyone seems to think people like this are "unhealthy Fe" types. Just like with Hitler. I would say, it's not simply unhealthy. It seems to be naturally "destructive" which is the 8th place archetype.

    Look at it this way:
    If an "unhealthy" person seems to be causing a lot of destruction with both Te and Fe, then you have to look at which one is meeting its objectives. Te is about logical efficiency. So even if the results are [literally] "destructive" to everyone else; they can still be meeting the objective. Fe is about ethics, such as consideration of and connection with others, external HARMONY, etc. hence, destruction is naturally contrary to it. Hence, "destructive" Fe use is likely in the "destructive" (devilish, demonic). With dom. Fe/destructive Te, the person will be good at making others feel taken care of, hosting, etc. But they may be disruptive and overdo it on the logical efficiency area. Clearly, that is NOT the case with Kate!
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    Kate's an ESTJ if I've ever seen one. Who is still saying ESFJ?

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    I don't watch this show, but I read the whole thread and Kate definitely sounds like an extremely dominant ESTJ to me, especially from the blog excerpts. Dominant and destructive people can share a lot of similarities and annoying ESFJ mothers seem to be more common than the ESTJ ones, hence probably the confusion with ESFJ, but this is clearly Te in it's most ruthless form. And I actually like balanced ESTJs more than ESFJs, so there's no personal bias.

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    The way I see it, I don't think it's really possible to determine whether or not Kate is ESFJ or ESTJ unless you flat out ask her what her motivation for being so pushy (to say the least) is. Does she do it because she believes that it's what's best for the children or because she just likes things to be in order?

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    Kate is ESxJ
    Jon is ISFP

    at least that's what I think.

    Jon was better before he turned himself into a wannabe frat boy.
    Kate used to piss me off, but I think being around Jon would piss me off too,
    especially with 8 kids.

    "Fools who wear their hearts proudly on their sleeves,
    who cannot control their emotions, who wallow in sad
    memories and allow themselves to be provoked this
    easily -- weak people, in other words -- they stand no chance."
    -Severus Snape

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