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Harry Potter and MBTI

Orangey

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I, erm, just told you. Lupin said absolutely nothing about how to complete the trials (meaning they were a test of wit as opposed to just raw magical prowess). Harry just made the connections himself. Furthermore, I just demonstrated Harry is Fe-tertiary, so it logically follows he has to be Ti-auxiliary. And that is not to mention his Te is absolute shit. Hermione constantly berates him for his lack of organization.

So his wit in figuring out how to do the trials means he uses Ti? I don't buy it. And I didn't read your case for Fe so I can't comment on that (though it did seem to me that he used Fi quite a bit.) His Te would be absolute shit if he were ISFP as well.

Tamske makes a convincing case, I think.
 

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I might be completely wrong here, so please forgive me, but the trials were the practical part of a DADA exam, so the teacher couldn't tell the students what to do there and then. What Lupin did, was to spend time teaching them how to combat all the creatures as the year progressed, hence the trials were a matter of memory, and general magical skill.

DADA calls alot on personal feelings for Harry in 3rd year, the Boggart requires feelings of laughter, the Dementor, feelings of elation...to get these, wouldn't it be mainly Fi?
 

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totally! I'd rather eat a bowl of earth worms than explore personal feelings! :horor:
 

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I might be completely wrong here, so please forgive me, but the trials were the practical part of a DADA exam, so the teacher couldn't tell the students what to do there and then. What Lupin did, was to spend time teaching them how to combat all the creatures as the year progressed, hence the trials were a matter of memory, and general magical skill.

DADA calls alot on personal feelings for Harry in 3rd year, the Boggart requires feelings of laughter, the Dementor, feelings of elation...to get these, wouldn't it be mainly Fi?

Hah, yeah. I forgot about that. Good call.
 

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you could sort like the houses like this, but it would be a little simplistic
Gryffindor: ESP, IFP
Hufflepuff: ISJ, EFJ
Ravenclaw: INJ, ENP
Slytherin: ITP, ETJ

but more likely:
Gryfindor: SFP, STP, SFJ, NFP
Hufflepuff:STJ, SFJ, NFJ
Ravenclaw: all Ns not in another house and a very occasional S
Slytherin: STP, NTJ, NTP (certainly no Fs)
 

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Well, this is true, but see my little addendum. Regardless of whether he's Ti/Fe or Te/Fi, the fact is that he feels a sense of duty and an impulse to save others underpinning his motivations -- which even Sim admitted but attributed to Te as opposed to Fe (I disagree, but let's leave that aside for now). The point is that he has an extroverted Judging function asa a tertiary, which means he cannot possibly be an introvert (as his Je would thus be inferior). Thus logically, ISFP makes no sense whatsoever. he must be either ESTP, or ESFP.

Hey Aleksei, how would you describe the Ti/Fi role in the dominant function for ixxps? Granted, it's considered a judging function, but has to synthesize what it can from the perceiving function that it uses in the auxiliary. This seems to be a very information receiving/processing activity. Does Harry seem spontaneous in the books like an extroverted perceiving type, processing stimuli after jumping into it with his body, in a body-mind way, or a mind-body way like an introvert? The reason I ask is because I want to direct your attention to something distinct, if you will allow it. Ti/Fi acts a lot more like a perceiving function in an introvert with Ti/Fi dominant then it will appear in all other positions...by the belief and theory of MBTI personality assessment anyway.
 

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Well, to me it seems that a dominant Ji function would spend a significant amount of time digesting recieved information, and comparatively less time actually receiving information. What are you getting at?
 

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Well, to me it seems that a dominant Ji function would spend a significant amount of time digesting recieved information, and comparatively less time actually receiving information. What are you getting at?

Nothing. I just wanted to see if you still thought Harry is an extrovert after making that connection. It doesn't mean you will or that you should, but I just wanted to see if you still thought the same or not.
 

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Riva

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I'll be pretty fucking disappointing with ESTPs if Harry is one. An ESTP being so tolerant, kind and forgiving? :laugh:
 
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True. The fact he loves her and wants to keep her out of harm's way alone doesn't prove Fe. It's the fact he wants to save everyone else as well that does, a higher Fi user in that situation would likely think of himself and those close to him, exclusively.

It's highly unlikely that anyone, regardless of what type he/she is would prevent himself from saving and protecting life, regardless of whether he loves them or only knows them.

And I am sure ISFPs would be just as much as heroic as ESTPs would if they have to. Wouldn't look so macho though ;).
 

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It's highly unlikely that anyone, regardless of what type he/she is would prevent himself from saving and protecting life, regardless of whether he loves them or only knows them.
Harry wants to save everyone in the world (not just people he knows), at great risk to himself. An Fi user would alternately decline to save the world (self-preservation instinct), or go on a deeper ideological crusade (internal values at work). Lower Fi users in particular can be extremely egotistical. Harry's motivations on the other hand run no deeper than a heart of gold and an impulse to be heroic, which denotes Fe (empathy for others).

And I am sure ISFPs would be just as much as heroic as ESTPs would if they have to.
Operative: If they have to. ;)
 
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Harry wants to save everyone in the world (not just people he knows), at great risk to himself.

On an exaggerated level, ISFP are the type of people who'll hold their own feces just so that everyone in line can make it to the bathroom before it's too late ;). ESTPs are not.

Alek,
ISFPs are quite idealistic. Everyone has to be treated the same way, is what ISFPs would belive in. An ESTP wouldn't care too much on the global level. Yes they would help people when others are treated unfairly (ESTPs hate injustice), but highly unlikely they would have an idealistic set of beliefs.


An Fi user would alternately decline to save the world (self-preservation instinct), or go on a deeper ideological crusade (internal values at work).

What on earth made you say this?

And would not go on a idealistic crusade. I think that applies to ESTPs more than ISFPs. Fi is much more idealistic than Fe.

Harry's motivations on the other hand run no deeper than a heart of gold and an impulse to be heroic, which denotes Fe (empathy for others).

Yes you are correct, it doe imply Fe. But Harry does not want to be a hero (you should read the book). He wants to be just another kid. An ESTP in his shoes (fame, love, attention) would have nailed at least 100 girl (give or take). He would have atleast formed his own rock group. ;)

But harry didn't. He wanted to be left alone (always). Be a watcher. But he had to be the Hero. it was his destiny not his desire. :)
 

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On an exaggerated level, ISFP are the type of people who'll hold their own feces just so that everyone in line can make it to the bathroom before it's too late .
That's actually SFJs. ISFPs are the people who whine "I HAVE TO GOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!"

ISFPs are quite idealistic. Everyone has to be treated the same way, is what ISFPs would belive in.
Of course not. The only common thread of the Fi function is that it is guided by its value set. It can hold literally any value on the face of this Earth, regardless of whether that value is helping your fellow man, or committing genocide against all Swedes.


An ESTP wouldn't care too much on the global level. Yes they would help people when others are treated unfairly (ESTPs hate injustice), but highly unlikely they would have an idealistic set of beliefs.
Harry doesn't. He just wants to save the damn world, he doesn't wanna end tyranny or anything of the sort, he just wants to end Voldemort because Voldemort is hurting people.

What on earth made you say this?
Fi can be very, very self-absorbed, depending on the values of the holder (see: Carl Johnson burying a construction foreman in concrete because he hit on his sister).

And would not go on a idealistic crusade. I think that applies to ESTPs more than ISFPs. Fi is much more idealistic than Fe.
Yes and no. Fi can be more idealistic than Fe, but it can be much less so. It depends on what the Fi holder values, as Fi is a strictly individualistic function (whereas Fe is uniformly empathetic). For a very direct example, before you stands a rather cynical and egotistical Fi user. ;)

Yes you are correct, it doe imply Fe. But Harry does not want to be a hero (you should read the book). He wants to be just another kid. An ESTP in his shoes (fame, love, attention) would have nailed at least 100 girl (give or take). He would have atleast formed his own rock group.
That's a very damn unrealistic portrayal of ESTPs.

Would anyone really want to wake up one day and find out they're a hero because their parents died, and will be constantly pressured and hounded for life with a messianic destiny that they may very well be unable to fulfill, letting everyone else down in the process? I mean... anyone? ExxPs included?
 

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I might be completely wrong here, so please forgive me, but the trials were the practical part of a DADA exam, so the teacher couldn't tell the students what to do there and then. What Lupin did, was to spend time teaching them how to combat all the creatures as the year progressed, hence the trials were a matter of memory, and general magical skill.
He still needed to figure out what goes where, which he did exceedingly well (to the point that he did better than Hermione on the test, getting the top score for the year). An Fi-dom would be unlikely to have such good deductive abilities.

DADA calls alot on personal feelings for Harry in 3rd year, the Boggart requires feelings of laughter, the Dementor, feelings of elation...to get these, wouldn't it be mainly Fi?
Ridiculous. So non-Fi users are emotionless, Spock-like creatures? No, they just don't focus on internally held values, which is very different.
 
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Harry doesn't. He just wants to save the damn world, he doesn't wanna end tyranny or anything of the sort, he just wants to end Voldemort because Voldemort is hurting people.
no he doesn't want to save the world does he? He simply wants to get rid of Voldemort not because of his take over the world plan. He knows how dangerous, evil, cruel and hurtful Vol is. He has 1st hand experience.

Fi can be very, very self-absorbed, depending on the values of the holder (see: Carl Johnson burying a construction foreman in concrete because he hit on his sister).
Anyone could be self absorbed. Fi does not imply self absorbed selfishness. :shock:
Yes and no. Fi can be more idealistic than Fe, but it can be much less so. It depends on what the Fi holder values, as Fi is a strictly individualistic function (whereas Fe is uniformly empathetic). For a very direct example, before you stands a rather cynical and egotistical Fi user.


I don't use my Fe the same way others do. Each one could use his/her functions the way they are inclined to. It is obvious that you are making relations to your Fi and Harry's Fi and seeing differences. So you simply believe that Harry couldn't be possibly an Fi user.
That's a very damn unrealistic portrayal of ESTPs.
I was just teasing about the rock band and the girls. I think it was obvious wasn't it.

Would anyone really want to wake up one day and find out they're a hero because their parents died, and will be constantly pressured and hounded for life with a messianic destiny that they may very well be unable to fulfill, letting everyone else down in the process? I mean... anyone? ExxPs included?

It is ESTPs who are naturally heroic and brave. Not ISFP. I've seen over and pover and over again ESTP being pissed off and take actions when people around them whether they like them or not are treated unfairly.

So your point actually proves that he is an ISFP. Not an ESTP. ESTP would not wait or does not have to wait till his parents get killed to take on a mission to bring down an asshole. An ISFP would.

Harry was pushed in to that destiny. This is why he became a hero.
 
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I might be completely wrong here, so please forgive me, but the trials were the practical part of a DADA exam, so the teacher couldn't tell the students what to do there and then. What Lupin did, was to spend time teaching them how to combat all the creatures as the year progressed, hence the trials were a matter of memory, and general magical skill.

He still needed to figure out what goes where, which he did exceedingly well (to the point that he did better than Hermione on the test, getting the top score for the year). An Fi-dom would be unlikely to have such good deductive abilities.

Se is 'practice makes perfect'. And as FalseHeartDothKnow mentioned Harry had enough practice throughout the year. SPs are so good at some tasks (especailly something they enjoy) they could probably do it with their eyes closed (metaphor). And Harry not only had more than enough practice he also loved it. He loved Lupin's lessons and loved the subject more than Ginny. He probably dreamed about defense against the dark arts more than he dreamed about Ginny. ;)

Now that my friend implies that he had his Se working. Not Ti.
 

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Se is 'practice makes perfect'. And as FalseHeartDothKnow mentioned Harry had enough practice throughout the year. SPs are so good at some tasks (especailly something they enjoy) they could probably do it with their eyes closed. (metaphor)

Se does it for fun. "Practice makes perfect" is just some saying to achieve perfection.
 
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Se does it for fun. "Practice makes perfect" is just some saying to achieve perfection.

Yes that is why I edited the post. You should go back and read it. :)

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If you love something and it intrigues you would actually do it so many times that you could do it with your eyes closed. That is Se. When you keep on mimicking something so many times you could simply do it without thinking too much about it. This is why SPs are so good at sports, music or whatever field they like. (Not it does not mean that every SP is good at sports and music. I know.) :)
 
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He still needed to figure out what goes where,

One major reason Harry Potter wasn't the ideal hero (or admirable hero) was, he sucked at figuring things out. He needed Hermione or Dumbledore. He had shitty Ti.

And being a person who has well developed Ti, depends on it and loves it made me itch at the fact that Harry was so bad at it and didn't use it. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! ;)

It's like when a character on TV or book can't figure out something which is soooooooooooo simple. I am sure you must have had this experience. but what I and others fail to realize is that although it must be easy for you, it must not be easy for others.
 
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