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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    This only supports my thesis of the necessity to recognize the radical stupidity immanent within human nature.
    Oh good -- because once you can recognize it, then you can choose to accept it as the "way things just are" and then begin to deal with it and work around it instead of reacting against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    This only supports my thesis of the necessity to recognize the radical stupidity immanent within human nature.
    In other words, you agree that politics must exist... if so, why not extend the idea further and ask what else can you learn from it? The darker side of human nature for one. I think you can appreciate the subtlety of power play and deceit without engaging in it.

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    Although I generally put politics right up there with used car sales, I guess one usefulness can be directly related the current war. The military, and the powers that be, have a consensus that the Iraqi war can only be won from a political advantage. In saying that, I must infer that politics would fit under more of a diplomatic (considering Keirsey) usage. I think that anyone who prefers Ti, Se or Ne would use that intelligence less than the average NF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    I think that anyone who prefers Ti, Se or Ne would use that intelligence less than the average NF.
    Why is that. We are right-brainers and more flexible than many NFs. This should help you in political intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Would someone please give me five philosophically legitimate (not only rationally tenable, but also persuasive) reasons for why I should not regard politics as a sorry business?

    I must admit that while I do enjoy politics and tend to get caught up in it, it's not without it's share of problems. You have to have a special personality to be a politician as you are always in the public eye, and mostly amongst your 'peers'. You are judged, picked over and scrutinized. Every word, every look, every expression is served to you on a platter. Everyone wanting to know exactly what it means. There are people who chose to pick it apart and make assumptions based on the information that has been gathered, yet everything is swayed by their emotional attachment to the information. Every political thought is laced with ones thoughts and ones biases.

    Yet to sit back and leave it alone b/c well politicians are just lobbying for your vote, is silly. I look at it this way... (being the enfp that I am I try to find the good and find to find reasons to why something may happen) You enter the political race with thoughts, passions and desires. Not really knowing what the previous leadership has left behind, not knowing the wrath of the last party's decisions. You go in with high expectations to change the nation, the country and possibley the world. You are riding a high wave of wanting to please everyone.... You're gut intention is for good, your desires are for good. Then you're in, you made it! You sit there with a mountain of information to surf through only to realize that the previous party was hoping to fake it till they made it. They had good people skills but they couldn't organized an alphabetical system worth shit. So here you are overwhelmed and mystified at what to do. So much for saving the world. you just gotta get through this with some shred of integrity left, some of your character held in place.

    So we as a people voted whomever in, and now we need to hold them accountable, we need to remind them why they wanted in there in the first place. We also have to realize we only hear what the media outlets and their biases allow us to hear,, after all they are in the business of making news.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhinosaur View Post
    If you like having power, then I suggest playing politics.
    Yet, there is no real power, only an illusion of power. I was just thinking about how the government plays with the mind of Americans with pretentious services. Has anyone ever asked why the government enforces some rules vehemently, but turn a closed eye to others? Politics and the government in general is the bully who avoids real fights to preclude getting a good ass whipping. I will give an example that is on my mind. Why does the US enforce illegal drug activity by going after the users instead of the traffickers? They will step up occasionally and bring down a cartel or two, they will never go after the biggest, and most harmful, drug pusher the tobacco industry.

    This is my thought, being someone who worked in enforcement for over 10 years. Politicians (for the most part federal and state levels) have always known that exexcutive branches have no control, no means of obtaining control, no means of providing viable public service and no means of offering real security for constituents. However they must always give an appearance to justify taxes. For the sake of appearing to provide public service in the name of continued taxing, politicians know that executive branches can never fight losing battles, which would shed light on their true impotence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Would someone please give me five philosophically legitimate (not only rationally tenable, but also persuasive) reasons for why I should not regard politics as a sorry business?
    While I think comparisons between business and politics are fine they are distinctly different.

    Knowledge of politics, in the broadest possible sense (ie including office politics and daily life), is vital to a successful or at least functional existence.

    So long as people have to or choose to live in communities, even should those communities be as small as two or three neighbouring families, they will interact. Whether its understanding or regulating and norming that interaction politics is as good a label for this process as any, at the very least its a jumping off point.

    Politics allows for certain boundaries, limitations and delimitations. Society is made up of open and closed systems and relationships. Determining what is public and what is private and of the public what is mandatory and what is voluntary is the very stuff of politics.

    Substitutions for politics are generally theocractic or ideological, they can and frequently do benefit or foster the worst kind of social character.

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