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    Pope Calls Killings of Armenians ‘Genocide,’ Provoking Turkish Anger


    ROME — Pope Francis on Sunday described the World War I-era slaughter of Armenians by the Ottoman Turks as the first genocide of the 20th century, igniting a diplomatic confrontation with Turkey, which quickly summoned the Vatican’s ambassador to condemn the pontiff’s remarks.

    Francis, who made the comments at a Mass for the centenary of the start of the mass killings, and in a later message to all Armenians, repeated his stance that the seemingly piecemeal global violence of the 21st century actually represented a “third world war.” He also described his frustration with what he considers global indifference toward the persecution and killing of Christians in the Middle East and elsewhere, especially by militants with the Islamic State.

    “Today, too, we are experiencing a sort of genocide created by general and collective indifference,” Francis said.

    In broaching the term genocide, Francis quoted from a 2001 declaration by Pope John Paul II and Catholicos Karekin II, the Armenian Apostolic Church’s supreme patriarch, in which the two leaders called the Armenian slaughter a campaign of extermination that was “generally referred to as the first genocide of the twentieth century.”

    Yet Vatican diplomats have been deliberately prudent in avoiding the inflammatory term, so in using it during the Mass on Sunday, before an audience that included the Armenian president, Serzh Sargsyan, Francis clearly intended to provoke a response. He equated the fate of the Armenians with the genocides orchestrated by the Nazis and the Soviets under Stalin, while also condemning “other mass killings, like those in Cambodia, Rwanda, Burundi and Bosnia.”

    “It seems that humanity is incapable of putting a halt to the shedding of innocent blood,” he said. “It seems that the human family has refused to learn from its mistakes caused by the law of terror, so that today, too, there are those who attempt to eliminate others with the help of a few, and with the complicit silence of others who simply stand by.”

    Francis said it was a duty of everyone not to forget the “senseless slaughter” of the estimated 1.5 million Armenians killed by the Ottoman Turks from 1915 to 1923. “Concealing or denying evil is like allowing a wound to keep bleeding without bandaging it!” the pope added.

    Turkey has long denied accusations of genocide and argues that a large number of Turks were also killed during and after the First World War, when Armenians sided with Russian and Western forces in hopes of claiming an independent homeland in eastern Turkey as the Ottoman Empire was dying.

    Many Armenians have long demanded that Turkey acknowledge that about 1.5 million of their forebears were actually killed in a systematic genocide. More than 20 countries have passed parliamentary bills recognizing the killings as genocide, while nations like Greece and Switzerland have called for criminal charges against those who deny it.

    On Sunday, Turkish officials in Ankara, the capital, summoned Archbishop Antonio Lucibello, the Vatican’s ambassador to Turkey, and notified him of their government’s “grave disappointment and sadness” over the pope’s remarks, which were “away from historical facts” and dismissive of the deaths of non-Christians in the country during the same historical period, according to a government official who asked to be quoted anonymously, citing diplomatic protocol.

    On Twitter, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu dismissed Francis’s comments as baseless. “It is not possible to accept the pope’s statement, which is far from any legal or historical reality,” he wrote. “Religious authorities are not the places to incite resentment and hatred with baseless allegations.”

    Later, the foreign ministry said that Ankara’s ambassador to the Holy See, Mehmet Pacaci, had been recalled for “deliberations.”

    Francis visited Turkey last November, partly to bolster the standing of his friend and ally, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, leader of the country’s Orthodox Christians. He also met with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan as Ankara hoped to signal a joint campaign against Islamophobia. On Sunday, Turkish officials portrayed the pope’s latest remarks as a betrayal.

    “The pope’s statement is surprising and disappointing, especially following his message of dialogue during his visit last November,” said an official from the prime minister’s office, speaking on condition of anonymity by government protocol. “A one-side statement that only acknowledges the suffering of Christians and ignores the suffering of the Muslims at that time.

    “These kinds of statements only damage and hinder the process of reconciliation,” the official added.

    The issue of reconciliation between Turkey and the country’s Armenian population remains delicate. When Mr. Erdogan was the prime minister, he suggested an intergovernmental history commission be formed between Turkey and Armenia, and perhaps a third country, to assess the claims.

    Last year, Mr. Erdogan stopped short of using the word “genocide” but in an unprecedented move, he offered condolences to the grandchildren of those who lost their lives in the events of 1915, in a statement released in nine languages.

    Yet since then, any progress toward reconciliation with the Armenian diaspora has been limited.

    Alberto Melloni, a historian of the Vatican, said Francis’s remarks were consistent with his blunt spoken style and his sympathy for all victims. “He decided to use the words that Armenians use, to use the point of view of the victim,” Mr. Melloni said. “This is very Francis.”

    Jim Yardley reported from Rome, and Sebnem Arsu from Istanbul. Ceylan Yeginsu contributed reporting from Istanbul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sultan of Beans View Post
    Didn't even read the post, simply the title left me slack jawed in disbelief with one eye quivering... Does the pope even google? Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age. " - H.P. Lovecraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankyMcFly View Post
    Didn't even read the post, simply the title left me slack jawed in disbelief with one eye quivering... Does the pope even google? Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    List of apologies made by Pope John Paul II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The difference is the participants in the Armenian genocide won't even admit it happened let alone apologize.
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    This is such a weird political game. These activities on the part of Turkey only serve a domestic purpose. Nobody else in the world believes Turkey on this.
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    Ftr, there are Christian Armenians and Turks who under the threat of prison and violence have nonetheless come together to recognize the genocide and seek healing and reconciliation.
    "You know, with Hitler, the more I learn about that guy, the more I don't care for him."
    Norm MacDonald

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