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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    I know no one who thinks the US won WWI.
    I don't think anybody really won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    I don't think anybody really won.
    Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    countries are biased towards themselves while writing their history..
    exceptionalism isn't anything new...

    nation states are a blight to humanity..
    The only thing worse than nation States is tribalism.

    This is interesting as the modern nation State is based on literacy, while tribalism is based on the spoken word.

    So why has literacy given us civilization, while the spoken word has only given us short, nasty, and brutish, tribalism.

    And germaine to this very day, everyone and their dog in what was Iraq and Syria has a mobile phone, which is creating etribalism on top of traditional tribalism, without the antidote of literacy, and so driving them into a hyper tribal frenzy.

    We only have to turn on our television, listen to our radio, or log into the internet, to follow this hyper tribal frenzy day by day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    I know no one who thinks the US won WWI. In fact, it is rarely discussed in school and the majority of people I know only learned about with any depth, it when they read on their own.
    WWI is rarely discussed in schools, ok

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    yah the only reason why we know ww1 happened is cuz of ww2 unless historians just sorta decided to mess with us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    I don't think anybody really won.
    Germany and Austria certainly won a little less than Britain and France.

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    Taught in school? Seriously?

    I've known this stuff for a while, but I can probably be considered atypical. In my experience, Americans seem to have a pervasive but vague idea that the USA came in as game changing heroes in WWII. I think it's worth adding that a lot of Americans don't realize how early WWII started and how long it went on before the USA did anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    I know no one who thinks the US won WWI. In fact, it is rarely discussed in school and the majority of people I know only learned about with any depth, it when they read on their own.
    But my experience is that any American who hasn't learned about WWI with any depth automatically assumes the USA must have won it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Germany and Austria certainly won a little less than Britain and France.
    I was thinking that a look at the Treaty of Versailles might dispel any doubts about who won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    a lot of Americans don't realize how early WWII started and how long it went on before the USA did anything.
    Yes, and if Japan had not made the mistake of bombing Pearl Harbour, the USA might have remained isolationist for the whole war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    I heard that often americans think(and are educated in school) that they had some major influence on winning nazis in ww2 and that USA was some sort of savior in the war against nazis. Which i find rather funny because, well it was soviet union doing most of the work and could even after almost alone beating nazis being able to threaten USA. I mean even one big battles by soviets was much larger than all of the battles in western front combined.

    I mean look at the nazi kills in eastern front(russian border) vs western front(brits, france, usa and their allies together):

    Eastern front:
    Stalingrad: 1.8 million
    Siege of Leningrad: 1.5 million
    Moscow 1941-42: 700,000
    Smolensk 1941: 500,000
    Kiev 1941: 400,000
    Vorenesh 1942: 370,000
    Belarus 1941: 370,000
    2nd Rzhev-Sychevka: 270,000
    Caucasus 1942: 260,000
    Kursk: 230,000
    Lower Dnieper: 170,000
    Kongsberg: 170,000
    Rostov: 150,000
    Budapest: 130,000
    and others with less killed

    Western front:
    Battle of France 180,000
    Normandy: 132,000
    El Alamein: 70,000
    Battle of the Bulge: 38,000

    I m interested on hearing from people who lived in USA if these numbers(or something similar to the numbers) were taught at school or did they actually tell that USA did much more vs nazis than basically just appear after war was nearly over to steal nazi technology? Does this info come to you as a surprise and does it conflict much of what you had learned about USA vs nazi in ww2?
    The U.S. armed the USSR (the U.S. is quite good at this) with thousands of tanks, tens of thousands medium-heavy trucks, hundred of thousands jeeps and about 13k war planes. The irony is the U.S. helped create "the evil empire" as Reagan once termed the USSR. Sound familiar...? Saddam Hussein vs. Iran or Peshawar 7 (succeeded by the Taliban) vs. the USSR?

    One thing my public U.S. education did NOT teach me about WW2 and the Soviets, which flabbergasted me when I learned of it on my own, was the Invasion of Manchuria by the Soviets and the impact it had on forcing the Japanese to the peace table vs. the Nuke only story we are taught.
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